Pendolino derailment at Greyrigg

[mbonwick]

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[voyagerdude220]

I've just read this weeks forthcoming RAIL magazine, and in the oepn access section, an off-duty guard who travelled between Warrington, and Glasgow 3 hours earlier than 390033 did on the Friday, reports that he was thrown across the vestibule whilst going from the toilet, around 5 minutes after leaving Oxenholme Lake District. (I assume he's talking about the 13:46 ex Euston)

I was personally thinking that there would surely be a bad ride quality/ shake around the area of the derailment with previous trains which went northbound before the Pendolino.

Seeing this appears to be the case, couldn't any of the previous train crew which were on previous services, report a rough ride?

Also, would any train drivers on here be put off if you were one of the first trains going over the section involved in the derailment? (e.g. The 05:10 Manchester to Glasgow Voyager)

[westcoaster]

I was personally thinking that there would surely be a bad ride quality/ shake around the area of the derailment with previous trains which went northbound before the Pendolino.

Seeing this appears to be the case, couldn't any of the previous train crew which were on previous services, report a rough ride?

they could have, but it depends on what there adaptation of it is, person a might think bad bump , person two might think thats normal, if you go over a section of track all the time you might get used to a bump gradually getting worse.

Also, would any train drivers on here be put off if you were one of the first trains going over the section involved in the derailment? (e.g. The 05:10 Manchester to Glasgow Voyager)

i highly doubt it mate, if you think like that then you would not get out the station, i can understand if the driver had died then i would not like to work in that same cab , sit in that same seat, i believe that the class 43 involved in the ufton incident was scrapped for that reason

[voyagerdude220]

Thanks for your reply West Coaster.

IMO I probably wouldn't be put off driving a train over the section , if anything, as myself and many other people have allready said, it shows just how crash worthy the Pendo was.

I've allways been a big fan of Voyagers & Pendolinos, and if i ever travel SC on a 220/221 or 390 sometime in the future, and have to sit next to one of the pillars, i wouldn't complain one bit, as it's been proven to be extremely good.

[Hentis]

believe that the class 43 involved in the ufton incident was scrapped for that reason

It wasnt anything to do with Ballast filling the cab and engine compartment then and repairs being uneconomically viable?

Hentis

[westcoaster]

It wasnt anything to do with Ballast filling the cab and engine compartment then and repairs being uneconomically viable?

Hentis

i did say I BELIEVE, if thats the case, then that's the case.

[James 66526]

66521 had to be scrapped for damage caused (although it held up to the impact pretty well). However, if it had been mechanically sound, they wouldn't have used it again out of respect.

[Coxster]

Also, would any train drivers on here be put off if you were one of the first trains going over the section involved in the derailment? (e.g. The 05:10 Manchester to Glasgow Voyager)
Wouldn't have thought so, as if you think about it the section of track involved has just been relaid so is probably now one of the safest sections of line at the present time.

[Jim]

Wouldn't have thought so, as if you think about it the section of track involved has just been relaid so is probably now one of the safest sections of line at the present time.

And chanes are as it is newly re-laid there will be a TSR

[yorkie]

Seeing this appears to be the case, couldn't any of the previous train crew which were on previous services, report a rough ride?
But there are some places where you always get a 'rough ride', for example anyone attempting to walk down the gangway with a cup of coffee in one hand going over Colton Junction who is not expecting it is unlikely to have a full cup by the time they're over the points.

You'd have to be extremely knowledgable of the route (and it's harder in the dark to know where you are), and what to expect, to notice anything out of the ordinary, and even then it would be difficult to know something was wrong.

[Coxster]

A mate of mine who drives for Southern reported a rough ride down towards Horsham a number of times and slowly watched it getting worse and worse. It was around a year (maybe longer) IIRC before a TSR of 40 became placed upon it!