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GidDay All, In light of recent events regarding snow and the delay of certain trains I got to wondering why there is no snow ploughs in use anymore? There seems to be several of the old BR tender conversions floating around the UK with atleast one being dismantled for a failed water car project. So why does the Operating Companies and or Rail Track not use these plows to keep the lines clear? Is it the same old issue of cost and man power?

Anyone know the whereabouts of this frame? http://www.dukeofgloucester.co.uk/?page=Water+Tender+Project

Robert
 
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Network Rail (Railtrack are long gone!) do have snowploughs available for use. Which can be attached to a loco. They are placed at strategic locations across the network. Here is a link to Google Maps showing two snowploughs parked up at Bristol Barton Hill Depot:

http://goo.gl/maps/hrqvP

Centre of image below grey building.

Type "Network Rail snowplough" into Google and you'll get various images and one or two videos of these ploughs in action.
 
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The thing is, the snowploughs are only effective on deep snow, now by deep I'm talking deeper than a yorkshiremans pockets! The thing with snow in this country is we don't really get much of it. It only takes a couple of inches and the country in in turmoil, and not because we don't know it's coming, but because we don't know how to deal with it! So when it comes we panic, grind to a halt and do nothing. NSE invested in a snowblower that literally blew the snow off the track in the wake of the big freeze from 1988 but it sat around in a siding for many years without being used so it was shipped off to Aberdeen where the winters are harsher and it could earn its keep. The high cost wasn't deemed to be worth investing in more at a time when BR was scraping together every penny it could get
 

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At various locations on the former southern region, heating strips have been fitted to the third rail in different locations. How effective have these been?

And I believe part of the former NSE "Polar Bear" is now based at Inverness. Here's a pic of it at Stirling.
 

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There most certainly are snow ploughs, I saw a 444/ 450 fitted with one only last spring which seemed rather pointless.
 

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it makes some sense that the plow blades are about 20cm above raihead, as, as the text explains, 20cm is fine for normal running of unfitted trains. If the snow was deeper it would be effective.
 

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it makes some sense that the plow blades are about 20cm above raihead, as, as the text explains, 20cm is fine for normal running of unfitted trains. If the snow was deeper it would be effective.

Generally you do need to leave a gap when ploughing - otherwise you end up damaging the surface that is being ploughed.
 

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it makes some sense that the plow blades are about 20cm above raihead, as, as the text explains, 20cm is fine for normal running of unfitted trains. If the snow was deeper it would be effective.

I gather that but just from the picture itself looks a bit daft is all.
 

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You have got several options:

1) Hired in by Network Rail - Miniature snow plough fitted locomotives. These tend to be older BR era locomotives fitted with a three piece snow plough fitted below the buffer beam. They tend to operate independently, at the direction of the control centre, to clear snow on the railway. They are most effective on snow up to a depth of 30cm but can clear up to 45cm if required. At present I think DRS & WCRC class 37's are out and about undertaking these jobs. You can see a DRS example here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/intercitygbrailsphotos/8393131760/in/photostream

2) Network Rail - Beilhack Patrol Ploughs are used to clear drifts up to 1.8m high. They tend to operate in pairs sandwiching a locomotive and run at up to 45mph. They are based in Doncaster, Carlisle, Wigan and in Scotland. Here is an example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37114/6546321589/

3) Network Rail - Independent Drift Ploughs were constructed from stream locomotive tenders. There are several based around the country and are used to clear the biggest snow drifts. They tend to operate in pairs sandwiching 2 locomotives and run at up to 45mph. They are based at Tees Yard, Doncaster, Peterborough, Bristol, Inverness, Slateford (Edinburgh) Carlisle, Margam (Port Talbot) & Tonbridge and are used to clear the biggest snow drifts. A picture is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/36034969@N08/5139687880/

4) Network Rail - Beilhack self-propelled rotary snow blowers of which there are two, both based at Slateford outside Edinburgh. They operate at up to 40 mph and are quite impressive when in operation. Here is a picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/darlo2009/7404518940/

5) Network Rail - Snow & Ice Treatment Trains are based mainly in the south east to cover the south eastern region. They consist of a snowplough wagon, sometimes a support wagon then a locomotive and finally a de-icer wagon. This wagon delivers a warm anti- icing fluid to prevent ice forming on the third rail contact surface. Theere are 6 trains, 4 at Tonbridge and 2 at Eastleigh. There are some pictures here: http://www.ontrackplant.com/photo/997095920028-1 & http://www.ontrackplant.com/photo/997095940026-1 or here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/47826/8384979728/ or here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/60854097@N06/6777566227/

6) Network Rail - GLV de-icer vehicles. These are former Gatwick express luggage vans converted to lay a de-icer fluid on the conductor rail in the south east. There are 4 units that operate in pairs sandwiching a class 73 electro-diesel locomotive. There are some decent pictures here: http://www.southernelectric.org.uk/tocnews/nwrn_glvdeicers01.html

7) Network Rail - Windhoff MPV units run a number of anti ice patrols mainly in the south east. They are fitted with de-icer modules and apply de-icing fluid where required http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_MPV

8) Hired in by Network Rail - There are also electric locomotives stabled at locations around the country to act as over head line Ice breakers. This year there are two ( a class 86 & class 87) ready at Carlisle to make light engine runs up and down the WCML , mainly at night, to ensure that ice does not form on the overhead power lines. Here is a picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/darlo2009/8319952004/in/photostream

9) TOC - I should also mention "ghost trains" or empty trains running around the network to prevent ice and snow forming on the track or OHLE. I know FCC have been running some on the Bedford route over the last few nights.

10) TOC - Some trains in the south east have been fitted with de icing gear to help spread de icing fluid over a larger area than can be covered by the Network Rail trains.

The scot rail website referred to above has some good pictures on the first 4 items.
 
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I have seen a loco with a snow plough added such as a class 31 or 33, but never a passenger train as I suspect that it would be too dangerous and besides where would you put the snow plough when you got the other end, once the line has been cleared.
 

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I have seen a loco with a snow plough added such as a class 31 or 33, but never a passenger train as I suspect that it would be too dangerous and besides where would you put the snow plough when you got the other end, once the line has been cleared.

Class 156s and also a some of Scotrail's 158 fleet have them fitted, where they double up as obstacle deflectors. They are left on year round.
 

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Really, I have never seen one and I drive the things.

You probably can't see it from that angle. :p


Seriously though what SWT liveried unit was it that I saw with a plough type object attached when there was no snow then? I'm fairly sure I wasn't dreaming it.
 

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Class 156s and also a some of Scotrail's 158 fleet have them fitted, where they double up as obstacle deflectors. They are left on year round.
All of the Sprinters from class 150 to 156 are fitted with miniature snow ploughs/obstacle deflectors. The class 158s that have a small snowplough built into the obstacle deflector are 158701 - 751*, as the majority of these (158701 - 746) were the original Scotrail allocations of 158s.

I was wondering whether Robbies might have been referring to the larger varieties of propelled snowploughs.

*As do a very small number of former Transpennine Express vehicles higher up in the number series, though I have never been able to work out why this came to be.
 

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There's a couple of members of staff sweeping/shovelling snow off the platforms and applying an ice/snow melt treatment. Perfectly normal - as is shovelling it on to the track, as it is far better in the cess than on the platform.
 

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Some TOC's even have volunteer (I hope there not compelled to) staff who live near unstaffed stations do them.
 

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Interesting. I have to say that most of the ploughs I have seen are just rusting on sidings. I did not realize any of the old tender conversions are still in use.

Robert
 

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I still think a Japanese style sprinkler system for main lines would be best.

(And apparently it deposits 42mm of water per hour on the trackbed... which frankly is insane)
 

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Seriously though what SWT liveried unit was it that I saw with a plough type object attached when there was no snow then? I'm fairly sure I wasn't dreaming it.
A class 442 with the cowling/object deflector could look sorta like a plough?

The Desiro's also have an object deflector.
 

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Some TOC's even have volunteer (I hope there not compelled to) staff who live near unstaffed stations do them.

LM staff were out at Milton Keynes last night spraying deicing fluid on to the steps and door mechanisms of their trains as they pulled int o the stations. They also took pry bars to break the ice off the steps and door runners to make sure the doors closed. They were also cleaning the platforms of snow.

Interesting. I have to say that most of the ploughs I have seen are just rusting on sidings. I did not realize any of the old tender conversions are still in use.

Robert

not sure which ones you have seen but the ploughs do tend to be strategically placed around the network. Very much available for use
 

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The ones at Peterborough do seem to be positioned on sidings such that it should be easy for the locos to couple up to both
 
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