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'China freight train' in first trip to Barking

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Dr Hoo

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Although Britain doesn't manufacture very much that would be consumed in China (beyond some higher end luxury goods) we do in fact export quite a lot of 'rubbish' there.
Many containers return loaded with waste paper, refuse-derived fuel and scrap metal that can be beneficially exploited in the Far East.
 
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Although quicker than by sea, and cheaper than by plane, I should imagine that it would be more expensive than by sea. It would be interesting to know the cost difference. There must be a market for shipments which are not urgent, but need to be quicker than 70-80 days on a ship.
According to this site, it's typically only 25-35 days at sea for China to UK (depending on where you start in China).

It could be useful to compare the data from the link to shippo.co.uk provided by ac6000cw, with the delivery terms offred by GCL operator
at the first leg, between China and Russia — see at containers.ru.

I was shocked with the crazy handling time spending on the border point — 2-3 days!

Also I noted the high competitiveness of the truck towards rail (see at the bottom of the specified page):

(On the way to Moscow : ) 3-4 days by truck OR 6-7 days by railway​

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How do they redistribute the surplus containers?
Is there a back working of empty containers by ship?

This has been an issue for a few years. It's not really cost effective to send the surplus empty Containers back and they are available for sale. Hence why they get converted to homes,offices,storage etc.
 

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This has been an issue for a few years. It's not really cost effective to send the surplus empty Containers back and they are available for sale. Hence why they get converted to homes,offices,storage etc.

Never really thought about this, but the ship is returning with what loaded containers are available.

It seems strange that it would return half empty rather than taking empty containers back at whatever rate it could achieve.

I have always believed that any containers for sale are life expired for shipping use. I believe they have quite a hard life and don't do too many round trips. It would make sense to dispose of such containers AFTER a loaded run.
 

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Most of containers belong to the transportation companies. As you may have noticed in the photos of the train, those which arrived Barking bear the logo of China railway

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If you look at the photo of some loaded container ship like this

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you may notice that most of containers belong to one of 17-20 largest container shipping companies from this list

Thus it's the headache of logistics' departments of these companies to decide upon the usage of specific container after it is emptied. Options are:
  • to deliver it to the nearest client of this company for loading the next cargo;
  • to lease it to another container operator
  • to sell, including the final demolition after 7-10 years of usage

There's a certain number of companies like Sea-Can (see http://seacan.com/shipping-containers/) which help smaller container owners to hire / lease / sell etc. their stock. On this site you may query the price lists of both new and used containers.
 

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Just to clarify a number of points regarding that imbalance in containers and how the shipping lines try and solve the issue.

In the Far East to Europe trade the westbound leg is monopolised by 40ft containers largely because most of the goods shipped are light and bulky. The road weights in in the UK allow for example allow up to 44 tonnes so a 40ft container can be loaded to about 26500kgs, slightly more from the European Mainland. The largest movement of goods eastbound to the Far East is waste paper, plastic scrap and scrap metal with the first two moving eastbound in 40ft containers and the scrap metal moving in 20ft containers. As a result a 40ft container of scrap paper averages about 12.5 tonnes per twenty foot unit (Teu) whereas a 20ft will be loaded up to 28000kgs. This does allow the lines to load huge numbers of these 40ft containers as the average payload is roughly half that of a fully laden 20ft. Depending on the berthing window the ship is allowed to exchange containers, once the laden containers have been loaded the port will often load as many empties as they can so they can returned to Far East. Typically in Southampton at any one time there can be 20000 to 30000 teu of containers on the quay awaiting shipment and a large proportion will be empties.

The issue of road weights which are much lower in the USA also means that 40ft containers tend to be the standard unit in this trade rather than the 20ft. This is partly because the US road legislation is based on the distributed weight of the truck in comparison to it's length, which effectively favours longer containers because of the domestic use of 45ft and 53ft containers. Most of the shipping lines now operate global services so a container arriving say from Shanghai into the UK could be used to move cargo to the USA.

The other solution deployed by some shipping lines is to completely blank a sailing and load the ship entirely with empty containers and in the case of the Europe to Far East market this can also involve the ship sailing via the Cape instead of the Suez Canal which whilst it adds a week to the transit time, it saves a considerable amount of fees for the transiting the canal. Whilst this my seem odd, there is a huge benefit for the shipping line, because it means the empties are immediately available for loading once they are landed in the Far East and by closing these ships to freight paying traffic the shipping lines can manage capacity of prevent rates dropping by the huge over supply in capacity.
 
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