Possible photo ban on Glasgow Subway - Page 2

Snapper · 18th May 2012, 22:07

all it achieves is attacking enthusiasts. [/QUOTE]

It attacks anyone with a camera, not just enthusiasts. Sometimes we need to remember that it's not all about us.

455driver · 19th May 2012, 16:16

Its probably because they are sick and tired of people using flash all the time, there was some thick tart with an SLR on Waterloo using flash last week, she was none to pleased when I went round and gave her a piece of my mind, the last thing I wanted was 2 flashes straight at me when I was 15 feet from the buffers, she started with the "I know my rights" malarky to which I replied "well I know the railway bylaws" at which point the station supervisor took her "for a little chat" about rights and wrongs.
If you dont know Waterloo we need to be no more than about 6 feet from the buffers to ensure the rear of the train is in clear so cant afford to get it wrong.

jonmorris0844 · 19th May 2012, 19:11

I can get the anger against people using a flash, but what's the betting the enforcement of the law will be somewhat selective?

Man with SLR - stopped.
Girl with cameraphone - allowed.

SS4 · 19th May 2012, 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris0844

I can get the anger against people using a flash, but what's the betting the enforcement of the law will be somewhat selective?

Man with SLR - stopped.
Girl with cameraphone - allowed.

The former you can reasonably assume is taking pictures, the latter you cannot. You'd have to catch the latter red-handed.

jonmorris0844 · 20th May 2012, 00:35

Well, I was implying the person with a cameraphone would be seen using it. Not just suspected of carrying one (or else mobiles will be banned or made to have tamper proof stickers put over the image sensors, as used in some factories and labs etc).

bAzTNM · 20th May 2012, 19:42

I don't get why they have quoted, in the original article, the guy who was taking photos in Braehead. You'd think he'd want to keep his head down after all the rumours as to what he was *actually* doing with his camera that day. Heard the 100% legit story from a lawyer friend of mine. Supposedly not a nice individual.

ADDED: I'll add that what I heard wasn't about anything to do with any children.

NY Yankee · 23rd May 2012, 15:09

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Originally Posted by alexdodds

Its sort of like when MTA tried to enforce a ban on the New York Subway in 2004 and 2006.

Whenever I try to take pictures of buses in NYC, I get looked at like I'm a terrorist.

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Originally Posted by 455driver

Its probably because they are sick and tired of people using flash all the time, there was some thick tart with an SLR on Waterloo using flash last week, she was none to pleased when I went round and gave her a piece of my mind, the last thing I wanted was 2 flashes straight at me when I was 15 feet from the buffers, she started with the "I know my rights" malarky to which I replied "well I know the railway bylaws" at which point the station supervisor took her "for a little chat" about rights and wrongs.
If you dont know Waterloo we need to be no more than about 6 feet from the buffers to ensure the rear of the train is in clear so cant afford to get it wrong.

I can sympathise with train drivers. Flash can distract them and even cause an accident. Maybe they should ban flash, but not photography in general.

455driver · 23rd May 2012, 22:57

Flash is banned but people still use it, if they cant abide by the rules then the next thing is to ban photography all together. Its the photters own fault because they dont stick to the current rules and the new "no photography" rule will be easier to police.

jonmorris0844 · 24th May 2012, 12:13

Surely an outright ban doesn't solve the problem, and is therefore not a good solution.

Someone ignores the no flash rule - so what makes them stop taking a photo (with or without a flash) when there's an outright ban?

If the current rule is being ignored, what makes the even tighter one get respected? How is it easier to police? In fact, it's got to be quite hard to spot people taking photos (especially with cameraphones) and a waste of resources. You can probably see a camera flash, as that's somewhat harder to hide.

Also - will there be powers to demand a photo or video is deleted? Or just a 'Oi, no photos' which may often be too late at that stage anyway!

455driver · 24th May 2012, 12:42

It will be easier to police because spotters usually go to the ends of the platforms and so are easy to keep an eye on, I would much prefer it if people would just be sensible, respect the rules and then there wouldnt be any need for tighter rules.

Most people "KNOW MY RIGHTS" but forget that with those rights comes responsibility!

Okay in the scheme of things a flash going off doesnt appear to be a big deal, but as I had a few weeks ago at Waterloo, that bint could have distracted me enough for the train to hit the buffers. Can you imagine the **** that would hit the fan then, I would be taken off driving for a week or so, the train/ platform taken out out of service for an investigation/ repairs causing other services to be delayed/ cancelled etc, just because some selfish bint doesnt know/ understand or comply with the rules.

I enjoy taking pictures of trains as much as the next enthusiast but the few will wreck it for the majority.

NSEFAN · 24th May 2012, 12:50

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Originally Posted by jonmorris0844

Also - will there be powers to demand a photo or video is deleted? Or just a 'Oi, no photos' which may often be too late at that stage anyway!

I don't think a member of staff would be able to legally order the destruction of photos, but they probably have the power to kick you of the railway's property if they see fit.

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Originally Posted by 455driver

I enjoy taking pictures of trains as much as the next enthusiast but the few will wreck it for the majority.

Exactly. Common sense needs to come from both parties.

jonmorris0844 · 24th May 2012, 13:12

Go after those using a flash, don't ban all photography everywhere. Especially if it won't stop the idiots, who need to be targeted more directly.

Here's a crazy idea. At the ends of the platforms, away from where most people stand, why not put up signs to say no flash photography (and maybe about the use of tripods in dangerous positions). That would make enforcement easier with no room for doubt on the part of the photographer.

alexdodds · 18th June 2012, 22:19

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...-to-be-dropped

Sounds like good news but don't count ya chickens till they have hatched.

HughTFall · 27th July 2012, 09:40

I'm afraid that this will end up to a decision that avoids anyone for bringing cameras inside the train station.

18th May 2012, 22:07	#16
Snapper Established Member Join Date: 28 May 2006 Location: All over the place Posts: 1,570	all it achieves is attacking enthusiasts. [/QUOTE] It attacks anyone with a camera, not just enthusiasts. Sometimes we need to remember that it's not all about us. __________________ See over 22,700 rail and travel pix at http://paulbigland.zenfolio.com

19th May 2012, 16:16	#17
455driver Established Member Join Date: 10 May 2010 Location: Feltham Posts: 2,610	Its probably because they are sick and tired of people using flash all the time, there was some thick tart with an SLR on Waterloo using flash last week, she was none to pleased when I went round and gave her a piece of my mind, the last thing I wanted was 2 flashes straight at me when I was 15 feet from the buffers, she started with the "I know my rights" malarky to which I replied "well I know the railway bylaws" at which point the station supervisor took her "for a little chat" about rights and wrongs. If you dont know Waterloo we need to be no more than about 6 feet from the buffers to ensure the rear of the train is in clear so cant afford to get it wrong. __________________ I am just a train driver, so obviously know very little about driving trains!

20th May 2012, 19:42	#21
bAzTNM Member Join Date: 17 May 2011 Posts: 311	I don't get why they have quoted, in the original article, the guy who was taking photos in Braehead. You'd think he'd want to keep his head down after all the rumours as to what he was actually doing with his camera that day. Heard the 100% legit story from a lawyer friend of mine. Supposedly not a nice individual. ADDED: I'll add that what I heard wasn't about anything to do with any children. __________________ My Website (with random stuff) Last edited by bAzTNM; 21st May 2012 at 05:54.

23rd May 2012, 22:57	#23
455driver Established Member Join Date: 10 May 2010 Location: Feltham Posts: 2,610	Flash is banned but people still use it, if they cant abide by the rules then the next thing is to ban photography all together. Its the photters own fault because they dont stick to the current rules and the new "no photography" rule will be easier to police. __________________ I am just a train driver, so obviously know very little about driving trains!

24th May 2012, 12:42	#25
455driver Established Member Join Date: 10 May 2010 Location: Feltham Posts: 2,610	It will be easier to police because spotters usually go to the ends of the platforms and so are easy to keep an eye on, I would much prefer it if people would just be sensible, respect the rules and then there wouldnt be any need for tighter rules. Most people "KNOW MY RIGHTS" but forget that with those rights comes responsibility! Okay in the scheme of things a flash going off doesnt appear to be a big deal, but as I had a few weeks ago at Waterloo, that bint could have distracted me enough for the train to hit the buffers. Can you imagine the **** that would hit the fan then, I would be taken off driving for a week or so, the train/ platform taken out out of service for an investigation/ repairs causing other services to be delayed/ cancelled etc, just because some selfish bint doesnt know/ understand or comply with the rules. I enjoy taking pictures of trains as much as the next enthusiast but the few will wreck it for the majority. __________________ I am just a train driver, so obviously know very little about driving trains!

19th May 2012, 19:11	#18
jonmorris0844 What would Bob Crow say? Established Member Join Date: 1 Feb 2009 Location: Hatfield, Hertfordshire Posts: 10,868	I can get the anger against people using a flash, but what's the betting the enforcement of the law will be somewhat selective? Man with SLR - stopped. Girl with cameraphone - allowed.

20th May 2012, 00:35	#20
jonmorris0844 What would Bob Crow say? Established Member Join Date: 1 Feb 2009 Location: Hatfield, Hertfordshire Posts: 10,868	Well, I was implying the person with a cameraphone would be seen using it. Not just suspected of carrying one (or else mobiles will be banned or made to have tamper proof stickers put over the image sensors, as used in some factories and labs etc).

24th May 2012, 12:13	#24
jonmorris0844 What would Bob Crow say? Established Member Join Date: 1 Feb 2009 Location: Hatfield, Hertfordshire Posts: 10,868	Surely an outright ban doesn't solve the problem, and is therefore not a good solution. Someone ignores the no flash rule - so what makes them stop taking a photo (with or without a flash) when there's an outright ban? If the current rule is being ignored, what makes the even tighter one get respected? How is it easier to police? In fact, it's got to be quite hard to spot people taking photos (especially with cameraphones) and a waste of resources. You can probably see a camera flash, as that's somewhat harder to hide. Also - will there be powers to demand a photo or video is deleted? Or just a 'Oi, no photos' which may often be too late at that stage anyway!

24th May 2012, 13:12	#27
jonmorris0844 What would Bob Crow say? Established Member Join Date: 1 Feb 2009 Location: Hatfield, Hertfordshire Posts: 10,868	Go after those using a flash, don't ban all photography everywhere. Especially if it won't stop the idiots, who need to be targeted more directly. Here's a crazy idea. At the ends of the platforms, away from where most people stand, why not put up signs to say no flash photography (and maybe about the use of tripods in dangerous positions). That would make enforcement easier with no room for doubt on the part of the photographer.

18th June 2012, 22:19	#28
alexdodds Member Join Date: 29 Jul 2009 Location: Chester-le-Street Posts: 363	http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...-to-be-dropped Sounds like good news but don't count ya chickens till they have hatched. __________________ www.youtube.co.uk/railexchangevideos Alex Dodds

27th July 2012, 09:40	#29
HughTFall Member Join Date: 17 Jul 2012 Location: West Sussex Posts: 9	I'm afraid that this will end up to a decision that avoids anyone for bringing cameras inside the train station.