[WatcherZero]

Originally Posted by martin2345uk

I believe he was correcting the three "theirs" in the precious post.

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[martin2345uk]

Hey I was only explaining to Paul what was going on! :-/

[Paul Sidorczuk]

Originally Posted by martin2345uk

Hey I was only explaining to Paul what was going on! :-/

Thanks for your assistance...I just had a "mind-block" when I saw the original posting.

"Senior Moment Syndrome" strikes me again........

[familyguy99]

Hi All

Here are some of my picture of tram at South Chadderton and at Werneth and also picture at Oldham Mumps and Hollinwood

http://www.flickr.com/photos/metrolink_work/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/metrolink_work_2/

Sadly I have to make two Flickr account as after u reach 200 picture, u have to pay them to add more picture

[spargazer]

Another reason is spare capacity at the Manchester stations is zero. Moving the Alty, Bury and Rochdale lines has put off the need for expensive improvements in the city centre though travelling to Manairport/EGCC will be faster by bus, as it is to Eccles from city centre, and you get a seat. I loath yellow M5000 trams.

[futureA]

Originally Posted by spargazer

travelling to Manairport/EGCC will be faster by bus, as it is to Eccles from city centre, and you get a seat. I loath yellow M5000 trams.

Getting to the final destination as fast as possible is not the point of metrolink!

[Paul Sidorczuk]

Originally Posted by futureA

Getting to the final destination as fast as possible is not the point of metrolink!

There are some forum members (very much against the idea of anything but heavy rail) who tend to make this point constantly, as a means to ridicule the Manchester Metrolink and also TfGM/GMCA (for their approval of this method of urban travel).

[Rail Bus]

Originally Posted by futureA

Getting to the final destination as fast as possible is not the point of metrolink!

ludicrous

what is the point of it then?

to get you there slower than could be done 20 years ago?

[PR1Berske]

Originally Posted by Rail Bus

ludicrous

what is the point of it then?

to get you there slower than could be done 20 years ago?

Well tbf heavy rail from Manchester to Liverpool isn't that much faster than steam

[MattE2010]

Originally Posted by Paul Sidorczuk

There are some forum members (very much against the idea of anything but heavy rail) who tend to make this point constantly, as a means to ridicule the Manchester Metrolink and also TfGM/GMCA (for their approval of this method of urban travel).

I for one am not, I have no issue with Metrolink to Eccles (though I see the MediaCityUK extension as pointless), out to the Airport, Ashton, etc. What I do have a problem with is it taking over heavy rail services. Light rail IMO should replace the most heavily used bus routes, not trains.

[futureA]

Originally Posted by Rail Bus

ludicrous

what is the point of it then?

to get you there slower than could be done 20 years ago?

Have you ever considered that there are places people might want to get to between Eccles and Manchester City Centre? Same with the city centre and the airport.

The Eccles line is really for connecting the city to Salford Quays which was and still is poorly served by other modes. Extending the line to Eccles was perfectly logical.

The purpose of the airport line is to connect various districts of South Manchester that are geographically isolated. Since the airport is a massive employer in the area it makes sense for trams to serve it.

I realise that many members of this site can hardly contain their anti-tram bais, but please come up with better reasons why trams are bad next time.

[spargazer]

Originally Posted by futureA

Have you ever considered that there are places people might want to get to between Eccles and Manchester City Centre? Same with the city centre and the airport.

The Eccles line is really for connecting the city to Salford Quays which was and still is poorly served by other modes. Extending the line to Eccles was perfectly logical.

The purpose of the airport line is to connect various districts of South Manchester that are geographically isolated. Since the airport is a massive employer in the area it makes sense for trams to serve it.

I realise that many members of this site can hardly contain their anti-tram bais, but please come up with better reasons why trams are bad next time.

the problems with TfGM trams is complex; properly designed bus lanes would are suffice, they are cheaper, flexible, quicker off the drawing board (CAD), and competitive. Runcorn is doing alright

TfGM trams are small, few seats, expensive and are relatively slow esp if your commute is let's say Shaw-Manchester, besides in 4 years time Manchester will be a bottle neck with those yellow critters everywhere-stationery, and the tracks will have to be replaced sometime. Oxford Rd station and Victoria station will be as well. The main object is to move people as quickly and cheaply as possible, so in every respect these trams are failures, except on the Altrincham and Bury Lines, and that is why Stagecoach opted out. The old green ones are really very good. I bet that the No 19 bus from Sale to Manchester Airport, and Tenerife! will be faster than one of those yellow critters.

[futureA]

^^^^

Again, another anti metrolink post containing no factual info at all.

Metrolink is not a failure by any stretch of the imagination.

[tbtc]

Originally Posted by spargazer

Another reason is spare capacity at the Manchester stations is zero. Moving the Alty, Bury and Rochdale lines has put off the need for expensive improvements in the city centre though travelling to Manairport/EGCC will be faster by bus, as it is to Eccles from city centre, and you get a seat. I loath yellow M5000 trams.

Originally Posted by futureA

Getting to the final destination as fast as possible is not the point of metrolink!

Originally Posted by Rail Bus

ludicrous

what is the point of it then?

to get you there slower than could be done 20 years ago?

Perish the thought that we try to improve local links like from southern Manchester to the Airport or from Salford Quays to Eccles - should we only build routes in a straight line?

The tram from Meadowhall to Sheffield City Centre is around double the time of the train service, but the tram is still very busy because it serves places in between. It also covers the city centre much better than the trains do (which is equally true of the Manchester example - it may be faster from Eccles into the city centre by train but not everyone's final destination is Victoria/ Piccadilly Station).

[Paul Sidorczuk]

Originally Posted by tbtc

The tram from Meadowhall to Sheffield City Centre is around double the time of the train service, but the tram is still very busy because it serves places in between. It also covers the city centre much better than the trains do (which is equally true of the Manchester example - it may be faster from Eccles into the city centre by train but not everyone's final destination is Victoria/ Piccadilly Station).

At last, someone realises that people do use the destinations in between the terminal points on a regular basis.