[hairyhandedfool]

So really it boils down to a loco that spelt the end for the Warships (locos) on the Great Western region (and was hated for it) which was named (for the first time after years of hard work on the WCML) after a warship (boat) to appease the enthusiasts, was further hated because it was re-painted green and renamed into a Great Western theme for the Great Western 150 celebrations? Have I got that right?

[4SRKT]

Originally Posted by hairyhandedfool

So really it boils down to a loco that spelt the end for the Warships (locos) on the Great Western region (and was hated for it) which was named (for the first time after years of hard work on the WCML) after a warship (boat) to appease the enthusiasts, was further hated because it was re-painted green and renamed into a Great Western theme for the Great Western 150 celebrations? Have I got that right?

More or less, but you appear to be rather annoyed about something that happened 30 years ago and that you seem not to have experienced yourself. Does it matter? I was merely trying to give some historical context (i.e. not judge by today's standards) to an event that many younger posters seem to have some interest in but can't understand.

[sprinterguy]

Originally Posted by hairyhandedfool

I haven't seen any major hate for 50017 (50117 RfD or 50017 LMS), 50035 (50135 Loadhaul) or 50044 (Two tone green), so I can only assume that, as it is still going strong after nearly 30 years, it is a name thing. The 50s only had names applied to appease the Warship followers who had a hissy fit over their withdrawl from service.

I thought there was quite a rumpus that followed the repaint of 50017 into faux LMS "Coronation Scot" livery? Personally, I thought it looked superb in that livery.
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Originally Posted by yummy125

As for 50 035 in Loadhall colours why was it repainted as it never carried these colours in service, looks better on a Class 56, 60..?

Because Loadhaul livery looks good on anything and it's fun to see locos in liveries that they would never have the opportunity to carry during their operational lives on the main line If it helps to support the upkeep and continued operation of a loco through generating donations towards a repaint and awareness of the loco on the preservation scene then I see no big problem with it.
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Originally Posted by deltic1989

The exeption to my "don't give 2 hoots about the livery" philosophy is, D9016 in Porterbrook "Purple Ronnie" livery, but that did look awful.

At least D9016s' Poterbrook livery followed the lines of the original two-tone green livery applied to the Deltics sympathetically. I think that the loco would have looked much worse, and raised even greater opposition, if it had been treated with the same Porterbrook livery that they applied to two of their 47s in the late nineties. I didn't mind the Porterbrook livery applied to D9016: It added a bit of variety and interest, and I think that the far bigger crime against authenticity was the fitting of those UIC standard light clusters! Nonetheless, at least that restoration got the loco out on the main line.

With regards to 50007, I completely agree with Schnellzug. With that loco, the opportunity is available to showcase a historically significant and accurate livery that was unique to that one class member, whilst there are already several other class 50s that demonstrate the other livery treatments that the class carried during its' working life. As such, I feel that the loco is more significant in GWR green livery, although if those who support it would like to see it returned to BR blue then good for them.

[YorkshireBear]

At the end of the day, whoever puts in the money and the effort chooses the colour. Its still a 50 no matter what. Although NSE is my favourite as im sure 50fan91 will agree

[hairyhandedfool]

Originally Posted by 4SRKT

More or less, but you appear to be rather annoyed about something that happened 30 years ago and that you seem not to have experienced yourself. Does it matter? I was merely trying to give some historical context (i.e. not judge by today's standards) to an event that many younger posters seem to have some interest in but can't understand.

I'm not annoyed about it (I'm not sure how I could have given that impression), I rather like 50007 in green, but I don't understand the point of those who want it given it's original name back and repainted into blue.

Originally Posted by sprinterguy

I thought there was quite a rumpus that followed the repaint of 50017 into faux LMS "Coronation Scot" livery? Personally, I thought it looked superb in that livery....

There were people who didn't like it certainly, but it is almost forgotten these days, my impression is that if 50007 was renamed as Hercules for the next 20 years people would still be saying how wrong it was for it to have been green for nearly thirty years.

[4SRKT]

Originally Posted by hairyhandedfool

I'm not annoyed about it (I'm not sure how I could have given that impression), I rather like 50007 in green, but I don't understand the point of those who want it given it's original name back and repainted into blue.

Fair enough I suppose. My point basically is that it (llike most personal preferences) isn't necessarily rational (especially 30 years on) and that therefore there's no need for you to understand it. I personally would prefer to see it in green as a reminder of what was a huge hoo-hah at the time and one of the 'highlights' of the crank world in the early '80s.

[455driver]

Originally Posted by sprinterguy

I thought there was quite a rumpus that followed the repaint of 50017 into faux LMS "Coronation Scot" livery?

And removing that f@#%ing livery with a needle gun was very theraputic, thanks!

[GearJammer]

The class 60's had a pretty good name theme (mountains/people of importance) ..... i don't recall anyone getting upset when that was painted green and renamed.

Keep it Green... besides when 50050/D400 is complete whos going to want to see that with a large logo 50007 'Hercules'.... personally i would like to see that blue and green pairing again.... its been far to long!

[4SRKT]

Originally Posted by GearJammer

The class 60's had a pretty good name theme (mountains/people of importance) ..... i don't recall anyone getting upset when that was painted green and renamed.

If you'd been following the thread you might have seen the explanation about historical context and why different liveries are completely unremarkable nowadays. Times have changed and it's pointless judging the past through the standards and attitudes of the present.

[Pen Mill]

The loco needs new batteries at a cost of £5,000 , a genuine support case.

Requesting £3,000 + for a change of livery is frankly taking the ........ out of the preservation cause.

There are around 300 Diesel main line locos in preservation of which over 100 are not operational , many requiring substantial funds.

£3,000 for a slap of paint against this scenario .. really ? sheer madness.

[ElectronicaL33]

Originally Posted by Pen Mill

The loco needs new batteries at a cost of £5,000 , a genuine support case.

Requesting £3,000 + for a change of livery is frankly taking the ........ out of the preservation cause.

There are around 300 Diesel main line locos in preservation of which over 100 are not operational , many requiring substantial funds.

£3,000 for a slap of paint against this scenario .. really ? sheer madness.

If thats the correct amount required for a repaint then id definately go along with your comment. I personally prefer to see a 50 in BR Blue but 'priorities' come first.

46010 is in the same predicament i believe? (battery wise) Oh i wish i could win the bloody lottery

[yummy125]

Why can't the owner of 007 pay for the repaint as he / she can afford to run it..?

[455driver]

Originally Posted by Pen Mill

£3,000 for a slap of paint against this scenario .. really ? sheer madness.

It probably needs the cabsides replacing because they rust out, then the whole lot needs to be prepared and THEN you can put the topcoats on.
If you dont prep it properly the paint will just flake off.

£3000 isnt much for a proper repaint.

Of course you can always needle gun all the old paint off back to bare metal and do a proper job, cant we James!

[GearJammer]

Originally Posted by 455driver

It probably needs the cabsides replacing because they rust out, then the whole lot needs to be prepared and THEN you can put the topcoats on.
If you dont prep it properly the paint will just flake off.

£3000 isnt much for a proper repaint.

Of course you can always needle gun all the old paint off back to bare metal and do a proper job, cant we James!

James LOVES needle gunning, i bet hes on his way to the GCR needle gun in hand as we type

[50Fan91]

Originally Posted by 455driver

Of course you can always needle gun all the old paint off back to bare metal and do a proper job, cant we James!

Originally Posted by GearJammer

James LOVES needle gunning, i bet hes on his way to the GCR needle gun in hand as we type

Thanks for that, you two! So much for the anonymity of the web!

Although I would like to see 50007 wearing its "Hercules" plates again, I can't help but agree with the majority of comments found in this thread regarding the pointlessness of the experiment. Mr GearJammer also makes another very good point -

Originally Posted by GearJammer

Keep it Green... besides when 50050/D400 is complete whos going to want to see that with a large logo 50007 'Hercules'.... personally i would like to see that blue and green pairing again.... its been far to long!

The potential for a mainline return of these two locos in such well known celebrity liveries would be huge. We just need to try and persuade the team behind 50015 to find some yellow and grey paint next....

Of course, there is only one Real livery for class 50s..

Originally Posted by YorkshireBear

.. NSE is my favourite as im sure 50fan91 will agree