[ralphchadkirk]

Originally Posted by 172212

I told him that the guidelines stated that I didn't have to ask - but it was recommended.

If you don't want to follow the guidelines, then don't expect staff to follow them either. After all, they are 'guidelines'.

[172212]

Originally Posted by ralphchadkirk

If you don't want to follow the guidelines, then don't expect staff to follow them either. After all, they are 'guidelines'.

But that's the point. I DID follow the guidelines. I was standing away from the yellow line and went to the end of the platform, as the guidelines say, it is RECOMMENDED that you ask for permission, but it's NOT required.

Rant over

[jonmorris0844]

I am not sure you need to ask permission anyway, but rather just let someone know you're there.

To say you need to ask permission suggests that the person you ask can just say no, depending on what mood they're in.

[ralphchadkirk]

Originally Posted by jonmorris0844

I am not sure you need to ask permission anyway, but rather just let someone know you're there.

To say you need to ask permission suggests that the person you ask can just say no, depending on what mood they're in.

By the guidelines and the byelaws they can ask you to leave the station (it doesn't specify when they can ask, but overcrowding, safety issues etc etc). To remain would be an offence.

[ralphchadkirk]

Originally Posted by 172212

But that's the point. I DID follow the guidelines. I was standing away from the yellow line and went to the end of the platform, as the guidelines say, it is RECOMMENDED that you ask for permission, but it's NOT required.

Rant over

That's funny, the guidelines don't even mention the word "recommended". It says "when you arrive at a station please let the staff at the Network Rail Reception Desk know that you are on the station". If you want to treat that as a request: fine, but don't expect staff to follow them. The only legitimate reason I can see for not letting staff know you are there is if you are literally passing through the station and are taking one or two photographs.

[172212]

Originally Posted by ralphchadkirk

That's funny, the guidelines don't even mention the word "recommended". It says "when you arrive at a station please let the staff at the Network Rail Reception Desk know that you are on the station". If you want to treat that as a request: fine, but don't expect staff to follow them. The only legitimate reason I can see for not letting staff know you are there is if you are literally passing through the station and are taking one or two photographs.

It doesn't say ASK for permission, it says let them know you're there. Which is pointless if a staffed member can see what you're doing, if I had to ask for permission then why didn't I get stopped at Wolverhampton, New Street or Birmingham International

[jonmorris0844]

Originally Posted by ralphchadkirk

By the guidelines and the byelaws they can ask you to leave the station (it doesn't specify when they can ask, but overcrowding, safety issues etc etc). To remain would be an offence.

And I bet they do that very rarely, most likely for people loitering around (like when people used to try and snag travelcards and re-sell them), being drunk etc.

Imagine if they just started picking on random people and chucking them out of the station? Luckily that doesn't happen (or the Daily Mail would be full of stories) and simply deciding you don't like someone taking photos - when NR has said it's okay, as long as you follow the guidelines - would land said person in a lot of trouble. Not legally necessarily, but certainly from a PR point of view.

I've seen BTP dealing with drunks at King's Cross at midnight and even they don't chuck people out, but do certainly do everything to get them on the last trains.

[172212]

Has anyone ever been kicked out of a train station for taking photos before?

[causton]

Originally Posted by 172212

Ha, I've had a couple of looks by conductors when taking pictures of the cab, but they don't even show up on the picture

Exactly!

And this is what happens when you try to deliberately obscure your face...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/0causton0/7157943502

It makes it obvious, whereas her face would have not shown up because the glass was so reflective.

[Charlie2555]

I had a man at Clapham Junction poke his head out of a 456 at me and say "no cameras". He was invisible and wouldn't be in my picture (now deleted) if he hadn't stuck his head out. I'm not sure if "no cameras" meant he believed you weren't allowed to use them or whether he just didn't want to be in a picture.

[electra27000]

Originally Posted by Charlie2555

I had a man at Clapham Junction poke his head out of a 456 at me and say "no cameras". He was invisible and wouldn't be in my picture (now deleted) if he hadn't stuck his head out. I'm not sure if "no cameras" meant he believed you weren't allowed to use them or whether he just didn't want to be in a picture.

Did you delete it as a result of what he'd said?

[Temple Meads]

Originally Posted by Charlie2555

I had a man at Clapham Junction poke his head out of a 456 at me and say "no cameras". He was invisible and wouldn't be in my picture (now deleted) if he hadn't stuck his head out. I'm not sure if "no cameras" meant he believed you weren't allowed to use them or whether he just didn't want to be in a picture.

I see you use the term "a man", was this man staff or just a camera shy passenger?

[Charlie2555]

I did delete it because what he said and he was a Southern driver

[40fan]

Originally Posted by Charlie2555

I did delete it because what he said and he was a Southern driver

Why did you delete it? It is none of his business, not to mention the fact that he was lying when he said no cameras.

[electra27000]

Originally Posted by Charlie2555

I did delete it because what he said and he was a Southern driver

Have you used the card since?