Class 707 - SWT: Introduction into service

WWTownEnth · 8 May 2017

spark001uk said:
Well I spoke to one of the on board staff briefly at Reading the other day, and apparently it's going a bit better now, with the software behaving "better than it was". That's all I was able to find out.

Timetable change is in 13 days, they will have to be suitably satisfied with everything, and all the red tape cut through from all involved parties. So I wouldn't like to say, but it seems a tall order for a fortnight.

Thanks. I agree it looks a tall order but fingers crossed!

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WWTownEnth · 16 May 2017

Any news of how the fault free running is going?

Are we likely to see units in service with the new timetable on Monday?

Thanks.

spark001uk · 16 May 2017

WWTownEnth said:
Any news of how the fault free running is going?

Are we likely to see units in service with the new timetable on Monday?

Thanks.

Asked swt exactly that on twatter yesterday, and the person on there said they don't think so. Which isn't good news if they're right. I'm beginning to wonder if a passenger will step onto one whilst it's still in swt livery.

Deepgreen · 16 May 2017

I noticed in passing a few days ago that 707003 now has an orange (i.e. cab-side) external camera housing on the red livery area - have they started swapping them around already?!

SpacePhoenix · 16 May 2017

Deepgreen said:
I noticed in passing a few days ago that 707003 now has an orange (i.e. cab-side) external camera housing on the red livery area - have they started swapping them around already?!

I think that they might have been delivered with them cameras in place

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That video from February has the cameras visble.

spark001uk · 16 May 2017

Deepgreen said:
I noticed in passing a few days ago that 707003 now has an orange (i.e. cab-side) external camera housing on the red livery area - have they started swapping them around already?!

I'm stood at Reading at the moment looking at 007 and 008 in p4, and they appear to all be orange, right the way down the length of the set.

Bigfoot · 17 May 2017

WWTownEnth said:
Any news of how the fault free running is going?

Are we likely to see units in service with the new timetable on Monday?

Thanks.

There are no 707s in the may carriage workings. As and when they start it be through stp amendments until the whole fleet is in service.

Peter Sarf · 17 May 2017

All I can tell is that testing must be continuing because the units at Clapham Junction sidings change position. I mean pairs get reversed in the sidings so presumably they have been out round the loop via Kingston to/from Wimbledon.

I assume nothing above 707010 has been delivered ?. I have seen all of the first ten 707s in Clapham/Wimbledon.

spark001uk · 20 May 2017

Peter Sarf said:
All I can tell is that testing must be continuing because the units at Clapham Junction sidings change position. I mean pairs get reversed in the sidings so presumably they have been out round the loop via Kingston to/from Wimbledon.

I assume nothing above 707010 has been delivered ?. I have seen all of the first ten 707s in Clapham/Wimbledon.

Yes still 10 as far as I can tell. 003/004 worked 5Q40 yesterday, and I saw 007/008 earlier in the week on test at Reading.

WWTownEnth · 26 May 2017

Any news on how the fault free running is going?

This project is going to end up being like the 458/5s at the current rate!

ainsworth74 · 26 May 2017

WWTownEnth said:
This project is going to end up being like the 458/5s at the current rate!

At least they actually made it into service! If the delays become too long the 707s may not :lol:

MatthewRead · 29 May 2017

Have the class 707's entered service yet I went looking for one today but didn't see one.

Monty · 29 May 2017

MatthewRead said:
Have the class 707's entered service yet I went looking for one today but didn't see one.

Not until mid to late June at the earliest.

GW43125 · 29 May 2017

Monty said:
Not until mid to late June at the earliest.

Another software update? (I understand if you're not allowed to say)

MrTurbostar170 · 29 May 2017

Hi,

I'll be going round London on Wednesday. Are there any 707's out on test?

Thanks.

spark001uk · 29 May 2017

GW43125 said:
Another software update? (I understand if you're not allowed to say)

I asked that when I spoke to one of the siemens bods at Reading, and he just said "well, it's better than it was".

spark001uk · 29 May 2017

MrTurbostar170 said:
Hi,

I'll be going round London on Wednesday. Are there any 707's out on test?

Thanks.

The majority of testing is being undertaken between Staines and Reading, so anywhere along that route is your best bet.

However if it's a ride on board you want to experience, there's always their cousins the 700s on Thameslink you could try out in the mean time!

GW43125 · 29 May 2017

spark001uk said:
I asked that when I spoke to one of the siemens bods at Reading, and he just said "well, it's better than it was".

Doesn't fill me with confidence. Especially as on the occasions it stops at my local station, it seems to be "how many men in hi-vis jackets does it take to guard dispatch a 10-car 707?"

spark001uk · 30 May 2017

GW43125 said:
Doesn't fill me with confidence. Especially as on the occasions it stops at my local station, it seems to be "how many men in hi-vis jackets does it take to guard dispatch a 10-car 707?"

Had a chuckle with them actually, I said I'm starting to wonder if they'll ever enter service in SWT livery! Or even for their short life with FMTR until they're ditched perhaps!!

TEW · 30 May 2017

GW43125 said:
Doesn't fill me with confidence. Especially as on the occasions it stops at my local station, it seems to be "how many men in hi-vis jackets does it take to guard dispatch a 10-car 707?"

The test runs are also being used for training guards, which will explain why there are several people involved with dispatch. From what I understand the door controls do have problems though.

GW43125 · 30 May 2017

TEW said:
The test runs are also being used for training guards, which will explain why there are several people involved with dispatch. From what I understand the door controls do have problems though.

Usually a staff member or two leaves the train at this station so I doubt they're being trained!

GW43125 · 30 May 2017

spark001uk said:
Had a chuckle with them actually, I said I'm starting to wonder if they'll ever enter service in SWT livery! Or even for their short life with FMTR until they're ditched perhaps!!

Myself and a family member have commented on the deliveries having stopped and the testing seemingly dragging on, it's as if they don't want them in service

spark001uk · 30 May 2017

One does wonder!

I have to say there was a fair bit of wheelspin on today's 5Q40 on the branch, it was doing a stopping pattern today I believe. It was quite noisy too, I think I even saw a few sparks at one point. To be fair there was a light drizzle though, which causes some of the worst adhesion.

GW43125 · 30 May 2017

spark001uk said:
One does wonder!

I have to say there was a fair bit of wheelspin on today's 5Q40 on the branch, it was doing a stopping pattern today I believe. It was quite noisy too, I think I even saw a few sparks at one point. To be fair there was a light drizzle though, which causes some of the worst adhesion.

I'm yet to see 707 wheel spin. If it's like 458 wheel spin then expect s scooby-doo type run: you're running but getting nowhere!

SpacePhoenix · 30 May 2017

Is the TMS of a 707 exactly the same as that of a 700 but with all dual voltage and/or AC only bits removed?

Lockwood · 30 May 2017

GW43125 said:
Usually a staff member or two leaves the train at this station so I doubt they're being trained!

Surely they are being detrained?

D365 · 30 May 2017

SpacePhoenix said:
Is the TMS of a 707 exactly the same as that of a 700 but with all dual voltage and/or AC only bits removed?

Eh? If you're suggesting that code is removed, it won't be exactly the same software will it.

GW43125 · 30 May 2017

D365 said:
Eh? If you're suggesting that code is removed, it won't be exactly the same software will it.

Won't they be keeping the AC gubbins etc to allow them to convert to dual voltage?

D365 · 30 May 2017

GW43125 said:
Won't they be keeping the AC gubbins etc to allow them to convert to dual voltage?

Exactly, I'm really not sure what SpacePhoenix is asking.

swt_passenger · 30 May 2017

D365 said:
Exactly, I'm really not sure what SpacePhoenix is asking.

It's just another of his typical questions then?

I suspect he's wondering if there really are software issues on 707s (and there's nothing to confirm that either way) why haven't Siemens just copied the 700 software across.

But there's bound to be differences, such as regular multiple working of pairs of 707s, probably a different ASDO infrastructure on SWT routes, no need for the core Thameslink ATO overlay, anything to do with AC supply inhibited or not displayed on 28 of 30 units etc etc.

I doubt there's anyone who posts here that really knows the detail.

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