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What route does the 1708 Fife take after Cardenden? Trying to total up a few miles here
If you're travelling on this from Waverley or Haymarket, get a return to Rosyth (perfectly valid). Only thing to remember is the evening peak restriction, so you'll need a SDR.
As I pointed out when these negative Easements were added, they are worded so badly as to be almost wholly ineffective.I wouldn't recommend purchasing an Edinburgh - Rosyth return with the intention of making the complete journey around the circle. It's prohibited in the routeing guide easements.
600006
Customers from Edinburgh travelling to Rosyth, Dunfermline Town,
Dunfermline QM, Cowdenbeath and Lochgelly may not travel via Kirkcaldy.
This easement applies in both directions.
600014
Customers travelling from Haymarket to Rosyth, Dunfermline Town,
Dunfermline QM, Cowdenbeath and Lochgelly may not travel via Kirkcaldy.
This easement applies in both directions.
National Routeing Guide - Instructions
Most customers wish to make journeys by through trains or by the shortest route. In both cases they will be travelling on a permitted route, provided the correct fare has been paid to reflect any routeing indicated by the fares manual. You only need refer to the Routeing Guide when a customer is not using an advertised through train or the shortest route.
http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/RSPDocuments/instructions.pdf
As I pointed out when these negative Easements were added, they are worded so badly as to be almost wholly ineffective.
The National Routeing Guide states on page 1:
Therefore a passenger travelling with a Standard Anytime Day Return Edinburgh - Rosyth may use the 1708 Edinburgh - Edinburgh for the outward leg of their journey because that is a through train from Edinburgh to Rosyth.
They may then stay on the same train and use the 1708 Edinburgh - Edinburgh for the return leg of their journey because that is also a through train from Rosyth to Edinburgh.
The final sentence quoted above gives the passenger permission not to bother reading the other 1500-odd pages of the Guide, so they never encounter Easements 600006 or 600014 if travelling on a through train.
Yes indeed, but if you are travelling on the shortest route or by a direct train you do not need to consult the routeing guide. Travel by the shortest route or on a direct train is permitted by the National Rail Conditions of Carriage and the routeing guide is irrelevant in these cases.Easements are designed to contradict certain routeing guide instructions as they were originally set out.
Clause 13.(a)(i) allows travel between Rosyth and Edinburgh on a through train unconditionally. There is no need to even consult the routeing guide, thus the (meaningless) easements don't come into play at all.13. The route you are entitled to take
(a) You may travel between the stations shown on the ticket you hold in:
(i) a through train;
(ii) trains which take the shortest route which can be used by scheduled
passenger services; or
(iii) trains which take the routes shown in the National Routeing Guide
(details as to how you can obtain this information will be available
when you buy your ticket).
No. The rules clearly give permission to travel via Kirkcaldy when using an Edinburgh - Rosytth route Any Permitted ticket on a through train.this is just another example of the "I don't like it, it shouldn't apply" mentally that is so prevalent.
The Easements are not quite meaningless. They prevent travel via Kirkcaldy when using an Edinburgh - Rosytth ticket and using neither a through train nor the shortest route.the (meaningless) easements don't come into play at all.
It's not prevalent on this forum (if you think it is please PM me with a link to posts where this does occur and I will investigate further) but if you read previous topics you will see that the vast majority of experts here agree that direct trains are valid irrespective of easements in the Routeing Guide. This is a sensible, intelligent and logical conclusion that experienced members have made and I fully concur with it. Put it this way, even hairyhandedfool and I are fully agreed on that issue!Just because you don't like them does not mean they do not exist and just because a passenger is unaware of a restriction, does not mean it does not apply.
As for them being badly worded? They are as clearly worded as any positive easement.
Apparently this is just another example of the "I don't like it, it shouldn't apply" mentally that is so prevalent.