IEP - signed

Pumbaa · 10th July 2012, 00:51

As it says. IEP officially confirmed 9th July as replacement for HST fleet with first load to be signed off and officially announced 20th July.

Cheers RF for the heads up. Exact numbers to follow - they look to be released on the same day as Greenings announcement, influenced by Swansea electrification...?

A toast to Mr Baker is in order. Thanks Stuart for giving us all a train nobody wanted. Thanks a bunch.

(created new topic to hopefully prevent it getting assimilated by fantasy hype).

fgwrich · 10th July 2012, 00:54

God help us, Cheers Goverment / Hammond.

Still, looks like the Japanese will do well out of us for the next couple of years...

IEP, The Train looking for a home.

ainsworth74 · 10th July 2012, 01:08

Bugger. That is all.

Masboroughlad · 10th July 2012, 01:13

so what are we going to get?

does it close the door on franchise creativity? hope not.

David · 10th July 2012, 02:08

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Originally Posted by fgwrich

God help us, Cheers Goverment / Hammond.

It's not them you should be thanking. It's the author of a "popular" rail atlas who has bull****ted about the IEP all the way and got it foisted upon us.

Failed Unit · 10th July 2012, 05:50

Very surprised there is no press release and it isn't on the breakfast headlines yet with the spin of how it will save UK railways. I guess we will see what is signed hoping no Bi-Modes but I can't see that myself to be honest even if Swansea gets wires.

Yes you could drag the 91s and Mk4 north of Edinburgh, drop Hull and Lincoln from East Coast, but I suspect the Bi-Mode will survive because of the lack of non-electrified diversion routes on the ECML which we don't really have enough HST to cover. Although it would be nice to see 67 drags between Newcastle and Carlisle.

Before anyone says - What about Harrogate? I am sure it will be electrified before 2020.

We will wait and see what is announced as this is batch 1 if the wires go to Swansea maybe we won't need Bi-modes for that batch and the debate will go on for the ECML franchise.

WatcherZero · 10th July 2012, 05:55

Government will be sitting on it until the other major announcement this week. Hitachi Chairman in an interview three days ago said they had just secured the financing for 330 coaches for the GWML, it will take them another year to secure the financing for the 270 ECML carriages. Both Hitachi and Siemens have had trouble securing the financing to underwrite their deals in the current economic climate, probably why the Government has decided to underwrite the Crossrail deal itself.

The Planner · 10th July 2012, 06:08

Position on the board of Hitachi for Mr Baker ?

Oliver · 10th July 2012, 06:11

Yes there are lots of issues related to IEP, particularly the bi-mode version, but realistically ANY fleet of new trains is better than no order for new trains.

Failed Unit · 10th July 2012, 06:40

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Originally Posted by Oliver

Yes there are lots of issues related to IEP, particularly the bi-mode version, but realistically ANY fleet of new trains is better than no order for new trains.

I disagree I would rather have no order than the wrong order considering we are going to be paying for them for the next 30 years. Look at the pacer now! Would people have preferred we waited longer for more sprinters?

WatcherZero · 10th July 2012, 07:08

Would people have been happy now if they ordered half as many of the more expensive Sprinters?

Failed Unit · 10th July 2012, 07:31

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Originally Posted by WatcherZero

Would people have been happy now if they ordered half as many of the more expensive Sprinters?

Everyone, the first gen DMUs needed replacing by law so the would have got replaced eventually. Anyway bad comparison in this case the IEP is the most expensive option! They could replace the HST with cheaper trains such as the pendo. :-/

Yew · 10th July 2012, 07:41

Oh yay, the current government fad of Bi-mode MU's kicking real rolling stock off the mainline. Since the government have all the wrong criteria for train selection

HSTEd · 10th July 2012, 07:45

When can we expect the electrification project announcement which presumably decided how many trains of which types to buy?

PhilipW · 10th July 2012, 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumbaa

As it says. IEP officially confirmed 9th July as replacement for HST fleet with first load signed off.

"As it says ......." ?

What is 'it' ?
Is this a made up post ?
I see no evidence of anyone saying anything ?

10th July 2012, 00:51	#1
Pumbaa Established Member Join Date: 19 Feb 2008 Location: North Posts: 4,287	IEP - signed As it says. IEP officially confirmed 9th July as replacement for HST fleet with first load to be signed off and officially announced 20th July. Cheers RF for the heads up. Exact numbers to follow - they look to be released on the same day as Greenings announcement, influenced by Swansea electrification...? A toast to Mr Baker is in order. Thanks Stuart for giving us all a train nobody wanted. Thanks a bunch. (created new topic to hopefully prevent it getting assimilated by fantasy hype).

10th July 2012, 07:41	#13
Yew Undergraduate Engineer Established Member Join Date: 12 Mar 2011 Location: Lincoln/Mansfield Posts: 2,575	Oh yay, the current government fad of Bi-mode MU's kicking real rolling stock off the mainline. Since the government have all the wrong criteria for train selection __________________ The ancient Romans only gathered once a week, because that was enough forum.

10th July 2012, 00:54	#2
fgwrich Established Member Join Date: 15 Apr 2009 Location: The North (Of The South) Of the Southern Great Western! Posts: 2,350	God help us, Cheers Goverment / Hammond. Still, looks like the Japanese will do well out of us for the next couple of years... IEP, The Train looking for a home.

10th July 2012, 01:08	#3
ainsworth74 Moderator Join Date: 16 Nov 2009 Location: Redcar Posts: 8,845	Bugger. That is all.

10th July 2012, 01:13	#4
Masboroughlad Member Join Date: 2 Mar 2011 Location: Midlands Posts: 836	so what are we going to get? does it close the door on franchise creativity? hope not.

10th July 2012, 05:50	#6
Failed Unit Established Member Join Date: 26 Jan 2009 Location: Central Belt Posts: 3,937	Very surprised there is no press release and it isn't on the breakfast headlines yet with the spin of how it will save UK railways. I guess we will see what is signed hoping no Bi-Modes but I can't see that myself to be honest even if Swansea gets wires. Yes you could drag the 91s and Mk4 north of Edinburgh, drop Hull and Lincoln from East Coast, but I suspect the Bi-Mode will survive because of the lack of non-electrified diversion routes on the ECML which we don't really have enough HST to cover. Although it would be nice to see 67 drags between Newcastle and Carlisle. Before anyone says - What about Harrogate? I am sure it will be electrified before 2020. We will wait and see what is announced as this is batch 1 if the wires go to Swansea maybe we won't need Bi-modes for that batch and the debate will go on for the ECML franchise.

10th July 2012, 05:55	#7
WatcherZero Established Member Join Date: 25 Feb 2010 Posts: 4,084	Government will be sitting on it until the other major announcement this week. Hitachi Chairman in an interview three days ago said they had just secured the financing for 330 coaches for the GWML, it will take them another year to secure the financing for the 270 ECML carriages. Both Hitachi and Siemens have had trouble securing the financing to underwrite their deals in the current economic climate, probably why the Government has decided to underwrite the Crossrail deal itself.

10th July 2012, 06:08	#8
The Planner Established Member Join Date: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 3,204	Position on the board of Hitachi for Mr Baker ?

10th July 2012, 06:11	#9
Oliver Member Join Date: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 340	Yes there are lots of issues related to IEP, particularly the bi-mode version, but realistically ANY fleet of new trains is better than no order for new trains.

10th July 2012, 07:08	#11
WatcherZero Established Member Join Date: 25 Feb 2010 Posts: 4,084	Would people have been happy now if they ordered half as many of the more expensive Sprinters?

10th July 2012, 07:45	#14
HSTEd Established Member Join Date: 14 Jul 2011 Posts: 3,476	When can we expect the electrification project announcement which presumably decided how many trains of which types to buy?