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Old 16th May 2017, 18:14   #16
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There is no requirement to buy in advance, but if you do, the actual ticket must be shown. The booking confirmation cannot be used to travel in these circumstances (if the station was advertised as having collection facilities, but these were out of order, then the booking confirmation email would suffice)
I'm not disagreeing with you as I know you know the fares and ticketing system much better than I do, but a few times on the North Devon Line I have seen guards accept a printed booking confirmation for travel from one of the unmanned stations, with the aim of the ticket being collected on arrival at Exeter. (When I traveled the line regularly, I did so from an unmanned station, and often had a ticket for collection, but I was in Barnstaple enough to pop to the station there to collect rather than risk it!)
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Old 16th May 2017, 18:58   #17
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I'm not disagreeing with you as I know you know the fares and ticketing system much better than I do, but a few times on the North Devon Line I have seen guards accept a printed booking confirmation for travel from one of the unmanned stations, with the aim of the ticket being collected on arrival at Exeter.
There's nothing saying a guard can't accept the booking confirmation, but equally there is nothing saying that they must do so. In effect you would be playing Russian Roulette with respect to the reception that you would get from the guard.
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Old 16th May 2017, 19:39   #18
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I'm not familiar with the particular TOCs you will be using, but do they have mobile ticketing apps or print at home options for tickets bought online?
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Old 17th May 2017, 10:33   #19
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I'm not familiar with the particular TOCs you will be using, but do they have mobile ticketing apps or print at home options for tickets bought online?
No, but in any case this is not an advance fare - the usual feature of apps and print at home surely? Does any TOC do mobile or print at home walk up fares?

Redbridge to Winchester we should really only be considering walk up fares, much of the stuff on the previous page about advances and stuff was written before the OP explained his actual journey.
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Old 17th May 2017, 10:39   #20
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Does any TOC do mobile or print at home walk up fares?
Northern, CrossCountry, VTEC certainly do walkup M-tickets, on all routes I think, and quite probably other TOCs too. It's really starting to get quite common.
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Old 17th May 2017, 14:48   #21
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Northern, CrossCountry, VTEC certainly do walkup M-tickets, on all routes I think, and quite probably other TOCs too. It's really starting to get quite common.
The Northern app isn't quite "Walkup" - I've not been able to buy a ticket on the platform waiting for a train as there was not enough time to "download to the device".
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Old 17th May 2017, 15:28   #22
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There is a red Pertis machine located at Redbridge which takes coins. Simply put some money towards cost of the fare and either pay the difference on the train or destination (as the op states) Winchester to get your rail tickets.
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If there is a permit to travel machine then I believe that you must use it if you are paying by cash. It is valid for an hour from the time of issue. Am I right in saying that once you have a permit to travel, you would be fine passing an interchange station and paying on the next train or must you still pay ASAP? You only need to insert 5p to be issued with a permit to travel. Of course, if you are paying with a form of cash that is not accepted or by card then you cannot get one.

On a separate note, are there any apps that can be downloaded for windows phone that will enable me to make use of etickets?
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Old 17th May 2017, 18:42   #24
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Am I right in saying that once you have a permit to travel, you would be fine passing an interchange station and paying on the next train or must you still pay ASAP?
You still have to pay at the earliest practicable opportunity. If you've got oodles of time at the interchange station then you should pay there.

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6.3 You must have in your possession a valid Ticket before you board a train unless one of the following circumstances applies:

(a) At the station where you start your journey, there is no means of purchasing a Ticket, either because there is no Ticket office open or self-service Ticket machine in working order
and, where notices indicate that you are in a Penalty Fares area
you purchase a Permit to Travel if there is a working Permit to Travel issuing machine at the station where you start your journey – see section 10 for more information about Penalty Fares...

In these cases, you must, as soon as you are reasonably able, buy an appropriate Ticket to complete your journey. The price of the Ticket you purchase will be the same as if you had bought a Ticket at the station from which you first departed.
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Old 17th May 2017, 20:02   #25
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On a separate note, are there any apps that can be downloaded for windows phone that will enable me to make use of etickets?
I wouldn't recommend using m-tickets as they carry considerably more restrictions than the identically-priced corresponding paper tickets.
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Old 17th May 2017, 22:45   #26
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I wouldn't recommend using m-tickets as they carry considerably more restrictions than the identically-priced corresponding paper tickets.
Generally agree - I only get them on the day if I suspect I won't be able to get a ticket on the train before landing at the big queues at Manchester Picc.
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Old 18th May 2017, 01:04   #27
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I agree. They are best avoided. Just frustrating that as I have a windows phone I couldn't get one if I wanted.
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Old 19th May 2017, 16:49   #28
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Just another question on this. I noticed today that Redbridge has smart card readers. I have The Key from Southern, but assume I couldn't use it on Southwest Trains, is that correct?
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Redbridge has one of the newer style PERTIS machines that SWT installed at a small number of stations which are unstaffed and where no TVM is provided.
If you can't use the PERTIS machine for any reason, then my advice would be to approach the Guard on the train to purchase a ticket.

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Redbridge (along with neighbouring Millbrook as well) does indeed have a Metric Aura PERTIS machine which accepts coins only. Although in reality you don't have to use it (and most people don't). Most SWT Guards seem to much prefer if you just board the train without a Permit To Travel as dealing with Permit To Travel tickets is a lot more hassle and takes a lot longer. If you just board the train the Guard will be happy to sell you any tickets you want (and you can pay with cash [coins and banknotes] or bank cards).
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