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Old 19th May 2017, 14:46   #31
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Should be prosecuted and receive a custodial sentence if convicted. Appalling
For inadvertently falling asleep? What if he's got some sort of medical problem? Frankly I find you passing judgment without the facts appalling.
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Old 19th May 2017, 15:07   #32
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is it possible he is passing in the rear cab????
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Old 19th May 2017, 15:15   #33
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For inadvertently falling asleep? What if he's got some sort of medical problem? Frankly I find you passing judgment without the facts appalling.
Yes for falling asleep- seven people died on the same line.

At least 4 drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams in Croydon- and I hope none of them are still employed
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Old 19th May 2017, 15:18   #34
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I suspect it has nothing to do with shift patterns and more to do with the monotony of the job. Driving a motor vehicle requires a lot more attention.
That's why trains have a vigilance device.
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Old 19th May 2017, 15:19   #35
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Yes for falling asleep- seven people died on the same line.

At least 4 drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams in Croydon- and I hope none of them are still employed
Has it been proved that the fatal crash was caused by a driver falling asleep?

Anybody could fall asleep.
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Old 19th May 2017, 15:19   #36
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Yes for falling asleep- seven people died on the same line.

At least 4 drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams in Croydon- and I hope none of them are still employed
There is no proof that the driver was actually asleep either during the crash incident, or that the chap in the video here was asleep either.
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Old 19th May 2017, 15:53   #37
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Yes for falling asleep- seven people died on the same line.

At least 4 drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams in Croydon- and I hope none of them are still employed
Has it occured to you that very probably most of Tramlink's drivers have fallen asleep at some time, hence the above revelation? If they are all routinely suffering with fatigue, should the entire roster be sacked? How would you propose that things would be any better with replacement staff?

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Has it occured to you that very probably most of Tramlink's drivers have fallen asleep at some time, hence the above revelation? If they are all routinely suffering with fatigue, should the entire rosta be sacked? How would you propose that things would be any better with replacement staff?
I'm certain the culture is terrible and management should be replaced. But that doesn't absolve any individual. Bankers tend to use a similar defence
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I'm certain the culture is terrible and management should be replaced. But that doesn't absolve any individual. Bankers tend to use a similar defence
You seem to be jumping to a ridiculous amount of conclusions.

Do you actually know anything about the culture and management?
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I'm certain the culture is terrible and management should be replaced. But that doesn't absolve any individual. Bankers tend to use a similar defence
You don't know they were asleep and not suffering from a medical episode.
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I'm certain the culture is terrible and management should be replaced. But that doesn't absolve any individual. Bankers tend to use a similar defence
Weasel words alert.
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You don't know they were asleep and not suffering from a medical episode.
A number of operators have already admitted to falling asleep due to shift patterns. Are we to believe there is also an epidemic of narcolepsy? A remarkable coincidence if so
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A number of operators have already admitted to falling asleep due to shift patterns. Are we to believe there is also an epidemic of narcolepsy? A remarkable coincidence if so
I'm talking about the specific incidents - the crash, and this one. You do not know and you are just going off your own conjecture and presenting them as certainties and facts. They are neither.
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Next time someone films them, don't just film for 3 minutes.
Film for about 1 - 1.30 then bang on the window to see if you get a reaction.
That should settle any argument about sleep or medical episode.
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Old 19th May 2017, 17:33   #45
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Does anyone know the legal hours a tram driver is allowed to work, I know it is a lot less strict than for an underground driver but have no idea how it compares with bus or lorry drivers. I suspect tram drivers are allowed to do more hours and take less breaks.
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