Old Underground Stock at Eastleigh

yummy125 · 20th May 2012, 12:58

Yesterday (19th May) I had a walk round the side of Eastleigh Works & saw this set of old underground stock waiting to get scrapped:

Network Rail's Class 57 312 & 57 302 were by the front gates. The Class 58's in the Diesel Depot had been moved to the middle of the depot so they can't be seen.

jcollins · 20th May 2012, 13:11

Good god, can't out-of-use stock sit on the South coast for 5 minutes without getting completely vandalised.

yummy125 · 20th May 2012, 13:15

I'm sure you will find this was done when they were stored in London as hampshire artist can't do this type of tagging.

jcollins · 20th May 2012, 13:20

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Originally Posted by yummy125

I'm sure you will find this was done when they were stored in London as hampshire artist can't do this type of tagging.

I was actually going to say South East rather than South Coast but I thought someone would say Eastleigh isn't in the South East. First Capital Connect trains seem to be worst for getting vandalised in my opinion.

MattE2010 · 20th May 2012, 13:25

There's a lot of A stock knocking about Eastleigh depot, from what I've seen of it on recent railtours through though, this is the only stock I've seen vandalised; the stock inside, along with the old SE 508s, is in quite good nick.

tom1649 · 20th May 2012, 13:57

It is 1972 mk1 stock from the Northern Line which last ran on 3rd February 1999 to be exact, so they've been sitting around attracting graffiti for a long time. The older 1959 stock soldiered on for a while longer until the last train was withdrawn in January 2000.

Waldgrun · 20th May 2012, 14:00

Not replacement stock for the Isle of Wight then?

tom1649 · 20th May 2012, 14:10

In BR days it may have actually happened! Give them a good acid wash, re-varnish the wooden floors, put some yellow paint on the ends and change the seat covers and you'd be away. You wouldn't even need to reinstate the guards panels on these as they were crew operated until the end!

starrymarkb · 20th May 2012, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Waldgrun

Not replacement stock for the Isle of Wight then?

IIRC the 67/72 stock can't be used as it doesn't have a dedicated crew door (sprinters and pacers were built before this became a requirement)

klewer · 20th May 2012, 14:55

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Originally Posted by starrymarkb

IIRC the 67/72 stock can't be used as it doesn't have a dedicated crew door (sprinters and pacers were built before this became a requirement)

Wouldn't be rocket science to fit a door - not sure where Sprinters/Pacers come into the equation?

Drsatan · 20th May 2012, 15:11

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Originally Posted by klewer

Wouldn't be rocket science to fit a door - not sure where Sprinters/Pacers come into the equation?

Apparently the unions insisted on having a separate drivers door, although this seems to vary according to TOC.

For instance, on SWT's 158s the door adjacent to the drivers' cab is always locked OOU since it's for the drivers use only, whereas on FGW's 158s there is no dedicated drivers door. I'm not sure whether this is the case on ATW and Northern's 158s too.

You couldn't fit a dedicated drivers door to 67/72 tube stock since you'd almost certainly weaken the body shell by cutting an aperture to it. However, the door adjacent to the drivers cab could always be locked OOU.

starrymarkb · 20th May 2012, 15:31

It's in the Group Standards, New stock on the main line (and these would not count as previously used) must have a separate door for the driver to access the track away from any passengers. Look at the 444s and 175s as an example.

The Sprinters and Pacers were built before the requirement. hence drivers must use a passenger door to access the track...

What adjacent door? the only side doors on 67/72 stock are in the passenger saloon

phil281 · 20th May 2012, 16:23

What about the door at the front surely that counts?

fgwrich · 20th May 2012, 19:55

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Originally Posted by Waldgrun

Not replacement stock for the Isle of Wight then?

Wont be happening untill TfL / LU gets around to replacing the 73 stock on the Piccadilliy - Partly because they are newer, partly because theyve already had one rather hefty overhaul by Bombardier and partly for the reasons mentioned above about the separate drivers door.

Drsatan · 20th May 2012, 21:09

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Originally Posted by starrymarkb

What adjacent door? the only side doors on 67/72 stock are in the passenger saloon

Sorry, was referring to the passenger door nearest to the drivers cab. Should have made myself clearer

20th May 2012, 12:58	#1
yummy125 Member Join Date: 2 Oct 2010 Posts: 214	Old Underground Stock at Eastleigh Yesterday (19th May) I had a walk round the side of Eastleigh Works & saw this set of old underground stock waiting to get scrapped: Network Rail's Class 57 312 & 57 302 were by the front gates. The Class 58's in the Diesel Depot had been moved to the middle of the depot so they can't be seen.

20th May 2012, 13:11	#2
jcollins Established Member Join Date: 23 Jan 2009 Posts: 8,471	Good god, can't out-of-use stock sit on the South coast for 5 minutes without getting completely vandalised. __________________ "We apologise for the delay. It is due to some selfish ******* throwing themselves in front of the train." - Andy Parsons.

20th May 2012, 13:25	#5
MattE2010 The cry was No Surrender Established Member Join Date: 16 May 2010 Location: North Posts: 9,640	There's a lot of A stock knocking about Eastleigh depot, from what I've seen of it on recent railtours through though, this is the only stock I've seen vandalised; the stock inside, along with the old SE 508s, is in quite good nick. __________________ RIP Clive Burr Last edited by MattE2010; 20th May 2012 at 14:11.

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starrymarkb Established Member Join Date: 4 Aug 2009 Location: Exeter Posts: 3,952	It's in the Group Standards, New stock on the main line (and these would not count as previously used) must have a separate door for the driver to access the track away from any passengers. Look at the 444s and 175s as an example. The Sprinters and Pacers were built before the requirement. hence drivers must use a passenger door to access the track... What adjacent door? the only side doors on 67/72 stock are in the passenger saloon __________________ My Rail and Aviation Videos \| My Flight Diary Classes Travelled in 2012: 143, 150, 318, 411, 481, 7300, A319, F70, Subway

20th May 2012, 13:15	#3
yummy125 Member Join Date: 2 Oct 2010 Posts: 214	I'm sure you will find this was done when they were stored in London as hampshire artist can't do this type of tagging.

20th May 2012, 13:57	#6
tom1649 Member Join Date: 5 Jul 2010 Posts: 621	It is 1972 mk1 stock from the Northern Line which last ran on 3rd February 1999 to be exact, so they've been sitting around attracting graffiti for a long time. The older 1959 stock soldiered on for a while longer until the last train was withdrawn in January 2000.

20th May 2012, 14:00	#7
Waldgrun Member Join Date: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 62	Not replacement stock for the Isle of Wight then?

20th May 2012, 14:10	#8
tom1649 Member Join Date: 5 Jul 2010 Posts: 621	In BR days it may have actually happened! Give them a good acid wash, re-varnish the wooden floors, put some yellow paint on the ends and change the seat covers and you'd be away. You wouldn't even need to reinstate the guards panels on these as they were crew operated until the end!

20th May 2012, 16:23	#13
phil281 Member Join Date: 9 Mar 2011 Posts: 87	What about the door at the front surely that counts?