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Old 2nd January 2017, 01:02   #16
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Depends if you class a Railjet as a loco hauled service.
The trains are powered by ÖBB class 1116 locos, so they are loco hauled in the accepted British enthusiast sense (albeit sometimes pushed).

If pushing of push pull sets by locos across Europe were to be discounted, then thousands of other 'loco-operated' services would not count as 'loco-hauled'.

IMHO the problem stems from the fact that the term loco-hauled was arguably at its most common in the UK in the 'BR Blue' era and largely pre-dated the widespread use in Britain of push pull loco-powered trains, which by that time were already much more common in Europe.

This begs the question - is it time for the enthusiast community to replace the phrase 'loco hauled' with 'loco-powered'.



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Old 2nd January 2017, 13:44   #17
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Does loco-hauled really matter as a term? Whether it's on the back or front of the train, it's still hauling you somewhere. After all, lorries are road haulage for goods, does that mean when the lorry reverses it's not longer hauled goods but pushed goods? Absolute nonsense!

Scenic lines, best one I've done to date is Liege to Luxembourg, especially up to Kautenbach. Mountains, trees and valleys in places, especially in the approximate border area between Belgium and Luxembourg. It was a journey highly recommended to me for my 2013 Benelux InterRail and I highly recommend it to anyone. CFL Class 3000 locos were hauling the approximately 2 hourly service at the time, no idea about now I'm afraid. I'd imagine they're still going though. It's not a fast journey, but totally worth it!
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I would certainly recommend Austria and Switzerland. In particular, in Austria, the Arlberg pass route west from Innsbruck, the Tauern line from Villach to Bischofshofen and from there either to Innsbruck via Zell am See, or to Graz via Selzthal. There are a couple of north-to-south lines which are well worth doing too, namely Attnang-Puchheim to Stainach-Irdning, and Linz to Selzthal.

In Switzerland, you are just too late for the hourly loco-hauled service on the Gotthard line (Zurich/Luzern to Bellinzona) as it finished in December, replaced by new units, but there are a couple of hauled services featuring panorama cars in the high summer season this year. An absolute must if you can fit one in. Other than that, Bern to Spiez/Interlaken and down to Zweisimmen, from where you can connect with the MOB network to Montreux. However, the place is full of loco hauled trains - as others have said, many of the private operators use hauled sets, including MOB and SudOst Bahn (SOB), who operate Luzern - Arth Goldau - St Gallen, another one well recommended.

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Munich - Lindau - diesel hauled as well....
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Munich - Lindau - diesel hauled as well....
Still 218s?
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Still 218s?
Was in August ...the scenery is a bit of a German Herefordshire to make you feel good - orchards and vines.
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Was in August ...the scenery is a bit of a German Herefordshire to make you feel good - orchards and vines.
Nice, very nice!
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In Switzerland, you are just too late for the hourly loco-hauled service on the Gotthard line (Zurich/Luzern to Bellinzona) as it finished in December, replaced by new units, but there are a couple of hauled services featuring panorama cars in the high summer season this year. An absolute must if you can fit one in.
Cheers for the helpful advice everyone, the Gotthard route is definitely on the to-do list, may as well do it with the loco hauled panoramic cars.

Seen an article in the most recent issue of "Todays railways - Europe" on the Beograd to Bar line and it appears to be very highly rated so will try to include that on my trip.
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Nice, very nice!
And here it is in August 2016.




...and here is the orchard, near where you stand to get the picture above!




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you are just too late for the hourly loco-hauled service on the Gotthard line (Zurich/Luzern to Bellinzona) as it finished in December, replaced by new units,
For the record, the latter day Gotthard hauled service was Basel/Zurich - Locarno, and has not technically speaking been 'replaced by new units' as a whole. It was previously a 'Y-shaped' service: Basel - Luzern (reverse, with loco change) - Locarno and Zurich - Locarno each two hourly, the two routes meet at Arth Goldau, which gave the hourly loco hauled service between Arth Goldau and Locarno.

The loco hauled IRs still run north of the Gotthard, terminating at Erstfeld. Although they will now be aircon push pull sets, north of the mountain route proper, on both Basel and Zurich routes you still get the scenic rides along the lakes (Zugersee and Vierwaldstädtersee) as far as Fluelen. Plus, many of the base tunnel (GBT) trains will be loco hauled.

The service semi-fast over the mountain is now an EMU service Erstfeld - Bellinzona/Lugano. All Locarno branch trains are now local S-Bahn

Worth noting that the Gotthard Panorama express will feature an amusing rake of stock, Panorama cars (1st class only) sealed windows, plus 1970s RIC coaches (opening windows) plus an ex-SNCF Dd2 'full brake' baggage car.




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SudOst Bahn (SOB), who operate Luzern - Arth Goldau - St Gallen, another one well recommended.
This is the Voralpen Express. New plastic stock is on order so this is a 'do it now'. Be aware that at present some trains are top and tail Re4/4 loco (see my picture below) , but some sets are topped and tailed by electric power cars.

Incidentally Arth Goldau is the meeting point of the Erstfeld IRs, the GBT hauled ICs and the Voralpen Express, so Arth Goldau remains a good place to see loco hauled passenger.

...note the 'ridiculous' gradient...





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And here it is in August 2016.




...and here is the orchard, near where you stand to get the picture above!



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Can you believe it, all of a sudden I want to go asap now. I think a week off just to explore Europe is going to be needed...
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