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Old 10th January 2017, 12:26   #1
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Hi folks,

Just wondering if there's any finesse possible with the following itinerary. To be fair, it's not too expensive, but the need to get an Anytime for the outward is making it less interesting than I'd like.

Just me travelling, a 41 year old without a railcard.

I'm flying out of Birmingham International on Friday 7th April, leaving at 12:15, and returning on the Monday, 10th April at 12:15. In an ideal world, I'd take a leisurely journey home and use opportunities for food and beer.

Plan is to get the 06:28 from Grimsby Town, changing at Donny and New Street to arrive at 09:55. It's a 12:15 flight to Romania, so I'm guessing that leaving over 2 hours will be enough. There are earlier options if I need them, though.

Currently, I can get anytime return for £76.10, which is not too scary, but if I can save a few quid, that'd be better. In the absence of an Airport Advance, I'm wary to pick an advance to get home unless I get a long wait between landing and departure - I've done it before at Stansted, and it was fine.

I'm happy getting an advance outward and being restricted to a named train, though. I'm quite keen for flexibility from Sheffield on the return, or a longish teatime connection there instead, so perhaps a split at Sheffield might work?

What do we reckon? Are there any clever tricks?
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Old 10th January 2017, 12:43   #2
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You can save £5.30 by splitting anytime tickets at Derby.
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Old 10th January 2017, 13:22   #3
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Currently, I can get anytime return for £76.10, which is not too scary,
trainsplit.com suggests this flexible split:Total £70.80.
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I'm wary to pick an advance to get home unless I get a long wait between landing and departure
It's a little early for Advance tickets for travel on 7 and 10 April. CrossCountry set the fare for Grimsby - Birmingham International. http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...pes/44703.aspx indicates that their Advance tickets are currently available for travel up to 2 April.

Similarly, information on planned engineering works is available for travel until 3 April.

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Old 10th January 2017, 13:35   #4
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Is it possible to get a £33.70 Anytime from GMB-Nottingham instead of the £37.00 Anytime to DBY? I'm guessing that via DBY is an acceptable route to NOT?

Therefore SOR GMB-NOT= £33.70
and SOR DBY-BHI= £33.80
Total £67.50

In terms of pricing rhetoric, I'd rather be just under 70 quid than just over.
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Old 10th January 2017, 14:13   #5
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As an example, I found travelling out on Friday March 31 at 0628, and getting a return train at 1405 on Sunday April 3, gives £68.50 splitting at Derby.

If you want to be extra risky you can get the 0734 train out and get in at 1055, costing £56.50 as the return from Derby is off-peak leaving 1h20 minutes to spare to catch your flight. Doable if you only take hand luggage and purchase fast track security, but not worth the risk to save a few pounds and travel insurance won't look at your claim if you miss your flight from train delays.
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Old 10th January 2017, 15:12   #6
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Doable if you only take hand luggage and purchase fast track security, but not worth the risk to save a few pounds and travel insurance won't look at your claim if you miss your flight from train delays.
To be fair, although I could only be hand-luggage outward, online check-in and would pay for fast-track security (would probably get it anyway, security's a (necessary) ball-ache), I know that I'd be clock-watching for the whole journey, and I'd rather get there in plenty of time as I'm leaving home at 05:40 and I won't have had any time for a decent breakfast! The flight's so cheap, I don't mind seventy quid for the train.
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Old 10th January 2017, 15:18   #7
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Is it possible to get a £33.70 Anytime from GMB-Nottingham instead of the £37.00 Anytime to DBY? I'm guessing that via DBY is an acceptable route to NOT?

Therefore SOR GMB-NOT= £33.70
and SOR DBY-BHI= £33.80
Total £67.50

In terms of pricing rhetoric, I'd rather be just under 70 quid than just over.
Please note that according to this recent thread Doncaster to Nottingham tickets are NOT valid via Derby anymore.
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=138274
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Please note that according to this recent thread Doncaster to Nottingham tickets are NOT valid via Derby anymore.
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=138274
That's new. Good thing I checked! Thanks for that.
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As an example, I found travelling out on Friday March 31 at 0628, and getting a return train at 1405 on Sunday April 3, gives £68.50 splitting at Derby.
Is this Advance, or walk-up?

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That's new. Good thing I checked! Thanks for that.
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Is this Advance, or walk-up?
Walk up.
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Old 11th January 2017, 09:13   #10
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Walk up.
Seems good. I can't find that combination, though. Only a pair of Anytime Returns at £33.80+£37.00.
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I doubt that there are any cheap advance tickets Grimsby to Birmingham on the 06.28. The Cleethorpes to Manchester Airport train is busy as far as Doncaster, and the 07.56 Doncaster to New Street is full and standing between Doncaster and Sheffield and very busy onwards though you might find a seat when passengers disembark and before Sheffield ones get on! Even in First Class it can get full, though Friday is the quietest day of the working week and seats are nearly always to be found.

Or to put it briefly- make sure you reserve!
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I doubt that there are any cheap advance tickets Grimsby to Birmingham on the 06.28. The Cleethorpes to Manchester Airport train is busy as far as Doncaster, and the 07.56 Doncaster to New Street is full and standing between Doncaster and Sheffield and very busy onwards though you might find a seat when passengers disembark and before Sheffield ones get on! Even in First Class it can get full, though Friday is the quietest day of the working week and seats are nearly always to be found.

Or to put it briefly- make sure you reserve!
I will definitely reserve. That's why I'm doing the donkey-work now, before reservations are open....
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Is there any mileage in going first class from DBY? What's the complimentary offering like? It comes in at an extra 30 quid or so.

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Seems good. I can't find that combination, though. Only a pair of Anytime Returns at £33.80+£37.00.
If you decide to chance the 0734 train, you would need to get the 0734 Anytime ticket from Grimsby to Derby, then you would change tickets to your Off-Peak return when the train calls at Derby at 0953, getting into Birmingham International at 1055.
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I will definitely reserve. That's why I'm doing the donkey-work now, before reservations are open....
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Is there any mileage in going first class from DBY? What's the complimentary offering like? It comes in at an extra 30 quid or so.
I have only used this XC train in First Class between Doncaster and Derby (cheaper to split at Sheffield if you are on Day Returns, but not sure about period returns). A breakfast product is usually offered (see XC website for current offering) along with tea or coffee. However paper cups and plates are the closest XC get to proper china.

In all honesty I travel on those journeys in First Class to be sure of a seat, and the breakfast offering is frankly not a decider! If I travel on same 07.56 on Saturday a Costa Coffee and a croissant from the stand on the platform suits me better.

First Class from Derby to Birmingham isn't likely to get you any food. Two reasons- the service starts from Newcastle and breakfast items may have run out by Derby, and the catering crew may disembark at Birmingham and maybe the 30 min journey is too short.

If your First Class experience is TPX, then XC is better, but if VTEC is your experience then expect disappointment? Mind you if Northern is your Transport of delight anything XC offer will seem like luxury 😂
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