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Old 27th December 2016, 08:31   #16
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Nowadays, there's nothing like sufficient interest in books to maintain second hand prices at anything above a token level. Quite simply too little demand against massive supply (executor sales and/or elderly moving to smaller accommodation). It's much the same with other collections (i.e die cast models - EFE, Corgi etc) where over-supply, declining interest and executor sales have killed off much of the market. Sites like Ebay only make matters worse as buyers looking for specific items can now just wait until it turns up - at a price they're happy to pay.
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Old 27th December 2016, 08:34   #17
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Rail book publishers might also start moving towards print-on-demand as well.
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Old 27th December 2016, 12:55   #18
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Interesting comments on the second hand book market. In the past I would wander into second hand book shops but few would have a decent quantity or quality of rail books and collectors fairs prices always seemed high. I now buy via eBay and ABC and because you tend to have a number of sellers for the same book prices can be more competitive. So is it supply of books has increased and demand fallen or that the internet is much more efficient at bringing buyers and sellers together that has led prices to fall?

As in other areas of collecting some dealers seem to be more interested in keeping stock moving and will sell low while others seem to have a fixed price in mind and you seem the same over priced it m sitting on the shelves or constantly being relisted for years
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Old 27th December 2016, 13:05   #19
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I am not sure if it has already been mentioned elsewhere on this site, but Oakwood and Wild Swan have also been sold in recent months, although their new owners intend to keep both "brands" alive.
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Old 27th December 2016, 13:38   #20
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Bramling....The actual selling price for most s/hand railway books is very low.

As a secondhand rail bookseller on line,the average IA type book will make £5-£7 tops,and that usually includes postage ...It can be said that the only books that hold or increase there value are books such as Colin Giffords,Dow Great Central etc ,books that are unique histories ,unable to better as with Dows Great Centr 3 parter,books that are again unique and have controlled print runs,Like Halfway to Heaven.

Take it fro me,that over the years IA,D&C and SLP as example have printed large runs,for book clubs,thus completly killing the market in terms of holding value.

It takes the WSP approach of top quality,writing,checking of facts and in case of Paul Karau's WSP a unique and quirky way of printing/publication..

No there is too much junk being published at present,Paul Atterbury is one of the worst for this.

With the shake out of publishers ,I feel/know will be reduction of printing/publication of rail books...The quality operaters like WSP and say Black Dwarf will do well based on quality

Oh and David Allen at Booklaw is a bit of a pain as although he has an RRP on his new books,never sells at that,and allied with his reminder activities in the past has again knocked prices downwards!
That is all fair point; I was more referring to the more "specialist" books, like the WSPs and Oakwoods of the world, rather than necessarily some Ian Allan publications.

Having paid £75 for a couple of rarer second-hand hardbacks recently (albeit holding out for ones in "as new" condition), I wouldn't say that's particularly cheap! Likewise some second-hand Oakwood Books go for around £10, which to me is quite respectable.
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Old 27th December 2016, 23:39   #21
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I am not sure if it has already been mentioned elsewhere on this site, but Oakwood and Wild Swan have also been sold in recent months, although their new owners intend to keep both "brands" alive.
I hope so because Oakwood have published some really good books in the past. One that really stands out is the Wirksworth Branch.
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Old 28th December 2016, 00:04   #22
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WSP cannot remain the same !...Paul Karau,did not use computers for setting and neither did he have a website...The takeover which I use in the loosest sense by the owner of the Titfield Thunderbolt Bookshop,Simon Castens ,has developed a website within the on line shop....The books I feel will I believe move away from the very dull feel of the Paul Karau/WSP books,this is evidenced with publication of a book by Peter Barnfield.

Oakwood....I don't know about this imprint as much ,but feel it will take time to get up and running ,as was a production line of books which were produced by a family group,the boss was mother who was 80 I believe when she sold out?

Middleton Press next ?....The main parties in this publisher are in the 70/80's
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Bramling ...Just noticed your comment ref rare book prices....As a seller,3/4 years ago ,Colin Giffords in tip top order,Each A Glimpse say ,would have got £50 plus,now £25-£30...George Dows 3 part Great Central,original pre Ian Allan copies in mint order,easy a £100,now £60 and that is mint condition and poss inc postage....Yes you can do what the US sellers do on Amazon list @£200 ,and wait and wait,or similar on e-bay,but you just sit and wait..

Figures quoted are amounts I have received in last 3 months.

Sorrow customers 90 % of time won't pay stupid money on line...That is the nature of the beast!
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Mentioned above are Ian Allan's old direct sales team, and W H Smith's reducing number of rail books. Probably connected. Ian Allan personally used to maintain a very substantial relationship, through his sales staff, with Smith's, they were of course their No 1 retailer, and shop decision making was significantly at the local level so regular calls and contacts very likely kept their stock to the forefront on the shelves.

Ian Allan wrote his own autobiography "Driven by Steam" some years ago and this regularly mentions the trade relationships they had with the print distribution trade.
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Mentioned above are Ian Allan's old direct sales team, and W H Smith's reducing number of rail books. Probably connected. Ian Allan personally used to maintain a very substantial relationship, through his sales staff, with Smith's, they were of course their No 1 retailer, and shop decision making was significantly at the local level so regular calls and contacts very likely kept their stock to the forefront on the shelves.

Ian Allan wrote his own autobiography "Driven by Steam" some years ago and this regularly mentions the trade relationships they had with the print distribution trade.
I've been told that WHS store staff are now, at best, confined to choosing titles pertinent to their local area, and, even then, only from approved publishers, so the little local publisher is effectively excluded.
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Nowadays, there's nothing like sufficient interest in books to maintain second hand prices at anything above a token level. Quite simply too little demand against massive supply (executor sales and/or elderly moving to smaller accommodation). It's much the same with other collections (i.e die cast models - EFE, Corgi etc) where over-supply, declining interest and executor sales have killed off much of the market. Sites like Ebay only make matters worse as buyers looking for specific items can now just wait until it turns up - at a price they're happy to pay.
Yes and no. Here in Petersfield we have a very successful second hand bookshop run by John Anthony Portsmouth Football Club Westwood (yes that is his real name). People who really want a particular book will buy from specialist shops like his, but for mainstream stuff, yes the amount is only a token.
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A great shame, the end of an era, still things move on and so many secondhand outlets exist on preserved railways now a days, offering very cheap books.
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