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Old 25th December 2016, 14:50   #286
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Any firm news on when they'll be coming our way?
(I'm a newbie so be nice)

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Old 26th December 2016, 09:51   #287
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Any firm news on when they'll be coming our way?
(I'm a newbie so be nice)

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Most recent news states the first unit will be shipped to the UK in January 2017.
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Old 29th December 2016, 19:57   #288
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For info only, the cargo ship BULNES left Sagunto this afternoon for Birkenhead, where it is due to arrive on 6th January. I have no info on the cargo nor of any departures from the factory, so it could just be coincidence, it might be full of oranges or olive oil.
Latest news from the factory, dated November, is that 88002 Prometheus is scheduled to ship in January and will be used for homologation purposes, which should hopefully be completed in February. It is possible that two more, to be used for driver training, will be shipped at the same time as 88002. The remainder should all have been shipped by end of March.
These will be followed by the remaining 9 class 68s which are scheduled to be shipped by end of July.

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Update 9th January 2014.
It appears that still nothing has left the factory. This afternoon 88001 was being shunted around the yard by the local Crab and still has no name. 88002 Prometheus and 88003 (still no name) were coupled together and running up and down a short length of test track between the buildings. Another (I think 88006 due to location) is still on stands and 88008 is visible inside a building where it was before. all else was hidden behind a pair of tram sets and some PrasaDuals. 2 more PrasaDuals were in the engine test bay alongside what appears to be the new prototype EuroDual Co-Co. Certainly does not look like anything else they have produced so far.
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Update 9th January 2014.
It appears that still nothing has left the factory. This afternoon 88001 was being shunted around the yard by the local Crab and still has no name. 88002 Prometheus and 88003 (still no name) were coupled together and running up and down a short length of test track between the buildings. Another (I think 88006 due to location) is still on stands and 88008 is visible inside a building where it was before. all else was hidden behind a pair of tram sets and some PrasaDuals. 2 more PrasaDuals were in the engine test bay alongside what appears to be the new prototype EuroDual Co-Co. Certainly does not look like anything else they have produced so far.
Are we EVER going to see a class 88 in the UK?
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Are we EVER going to see a class 88 in the UK?
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Are 88s both fully capable diesel and electric? Or are they last mile principle because I thought I saw that they are fully capable...
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Fully capable though only has about a quarter of the traction power available on diesel as electric.
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Are 88s both fully capable diesel and electric? Or are they last mile principle because I thought I saw that they are fully capable...
You can read back in this thread and see who thinks, on diesel, they're "fully capable" and who thinks they're "last mile".
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Fully capable though only has about a quarter of the traction power available on diesel as electric.
Less than that.

About as fully capable on diesel as a single Class 20.
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Are 88s both fully capable diesel and electric? Or are they last mile principle because I thought I saw that they are fully capable...
Pathfinder are planning to use a pair on a charter over the S&C in May, so we'll find out just how capable they are then!

(http://www.pathfindertours.co.uk/ind...eer---new.html)

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Are 88s both fully capable diesel and electric? Or are they last mile principle because I thought I saw that they are fully capable...
They are somewhere in-between - more powerful on diesel than typical 'last mile' capability, but only about 20% of the electric power capability.

However they should have similar starting and low speed tractive effort on electric and diesel, so it that respect they are rather more capable than a 50+ year old class 20. Sunbird24 posted a link to a video of 88001 starting a 1500t train at the Velim test centre back in October on diesel power.
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The day I see one on a scheduled passenger service with LHCS, running on diesel in part, in lieu of a 68 is the day I'll consider it as truly bi-mode. Until then .....
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The day I see one on a scheduled passenger service with LHCS, running on diesel in part, in lieu of a 68 is the day I'll consider it as truly bi-mode. Until then .....
I don't think most people consider it to be, least of all me.
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Old 12th January 2017, 15:31   #300
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Back of an envelope calculations:
Wikipedia has the 88's power output of 4 MW electric / 0.7 MW diesel, or a 5.7:1 ratio.
Compared to that 1960s bimode, the Class 73, at 1600hp/600hp, or a 2.6:1 ratio.

0.7MW comes in at ~939hp, and 4MW at 5364hp.
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