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Old 11th January 2017, 09:55   #31
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Hi Louby. I'm 48, though a very young and fit 48 through hours at the gym lol but you are right in what you say. I have not found the transistion to all things technical easy. Example being I am more comftable using a pen and paper as opposed to using a computer and definetly find all the politically correctness hard nowadays
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Old 11th January 2017, 12:39   #32
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Hi Louby. I'm 48, though a very young and fit 48 through hours at the gym lol but you are right in what you say. I have not found the transistion to all things technical easy. Example being I am more comftable using a pen and paper as opposed to using a computer and definetly find all the politically correctness hard nowadays
and you don't see this as a barrier, given that today's world is so different from 20 years back? Louby is correct in that you are sometimes very much a first line of contact, for Joe public, even though, you are 'only' a cleaner (your demographic). You are a uniform, regardless of job role. Biting your tongue in this pc world, is a risk all employer's wouldn't entertain, in this day and age, given today's blame/claim culture. Towing the company line is paramount, and of course, the customer, whoever they are, is always correct. Put aside your personal opinions, and keep these, for your genuine friends, to mardle over, within a mess room. Banter, makes the world go round, as I'm sure you appreciate.

Being, straight, honest, and saying it as you see it, in some ways, is respectful, as we'd all know what you stand for. However to others, it will be viewed as, highly offensive. Not your problem you'll say, however, who has the real issue, in that context?

Enjoy the weekends off. You are better placed than i, on that count for sure.
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Old 11th January 2017, 13:10   #33
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Shall we provide andyN a list of terms we are not allowed to use in the workplace, or subjects we shouldn't discuss at work, or questions you shouldn't ask or say!
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Old 11th January 2017, 13:19   #34
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Until you know me Dave Id suggest you keep your thoughts to yourself has it wouldn't end well if you spoke to me like that in person
Sounds like you are suited to a life away from railways.
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Sounds like you are suited to a life away from railways.
I dunno, him and Peter Wilkinson might get on well.
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Old 11th January 2017, 20:03   #36
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Until you know me Dave Id suggest you keep your thoughts to yourself has it wouldn't end well if you spoke to me like that in person but people like you probably wouldn't in person.
For telling you how crap your attitude is? You should be thanking them.

It's blatantly obvious why a route back into the industry became harder for you.
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Old 11th January 2017, 20:39   #37
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A lot of what you say is true. All this Politically Correct nonsense continues to baffle me and it is why my ambition lies no further than getting my Mortgage paid off and enough Pension to get by. I would like to retire at age 60 and get out of the working environment asap as the modern world continues having me shake my head. I was a carer for my Gran for 9 years and when she passed away and had to resume employment I noticed more and more of this PC Nonsense. Not only that I hate the fact that Employment Agencies came in and you have to go through them for most jobs, I let it be known that I think their vulchers and begrudge working for them. A job should be a job through the company itself. This is probably why I've been so annoyed at not getting on as a Train Presentation Operative (Cleaner). I would have been quite happy doing that for the next 10-11 years, get my Mortgage paid off, accrue more Pension money and then goodnight from me. It was never about progressiing to be a driver or conductor.
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A lot of what you say is true. All this Politically Correct nonsense continues to baffle me and it is why my ambition lies no further than getting my Mortgage paid off and enough Pension to get by. I would like to retire at age 60 and get out of the working environment asap as the modern world continues having me shake my head. I was a carer for my Gran for 9 years and when she passed away and had to resume employment I noticed more and more of this PC Nonsense. Not only that I hate the fact that Employment Agencies came in and you have to go through them for most jobs, I let it be known that I think their vulchers and begrudge working for them. A job should be a job through the company itself. This is probably why I've been so annoyed at not getting on as a Train Presentation Operative (Cleaner). I would have been quite happy doing that for the next 10-11 years, get my Mortgage paid off, accrue more Pension money and then goodnight from me. It was never about progressiing to be a driver or conductor.
So you just want to be a cleaner to pay your mortgage off, come to Newton Heath, I will show you how to use a sweeping brush lol..
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Old 11th January 2017, 21:53   #39
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What is all this "PC nonsense"?!
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PC Meaning Political Correctness. It seems to be a Modern Thing. Probably why Old School people like me struggle with the modern trends
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PC Meaning Political Correctness. It seems to be a Modern Thing. Probably why Old School people like me struggle with the modern trends
Im old school, I learned new skills for the modern railway.

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Old 12th January 2017, 07:14   #42
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It's hard to be rejected but if you keep applying for them you will probably get one. There's a lot of competition for these kinds of jobs at the moment that's why they can really raise the standards. The small details count. I understand it's frustrating but that's how it is. Once you get to actually do the job no on will give a toss how PC you are. Good luck and I hope you manage to get one.
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Old 12th January 2017, 07:28   #43
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Cheers Fred, Thanks for your king words . Keep plugging on. 2 Days later and I've calmed down now.
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I can't see where age comes into this. I'm 44 and we had our first classroom computer when I was 10, with the Spectrum etc arriving not long after, so the OP would have had them for his last year or two in secondary school. All his adult life has been within the computer age. I work with plenty of people in their 50s and 60s who are avid computer users.

As for 'political correctness', think respect. Terms that were disrespectful, dehumanising or demeaning have been replaced by more inclusive, respectful language. Again, nothing to do with age.

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I can't see where age comes into this. I'm 44 and we had our first classroom computer when I was 10, with the Spectrum etc arriving not long after, so the OP would have had them for his last year or two in secondary school. All his adult life has been within the computer age. I work with plenty of people in their 50s and 60s who are avid computer users.

As for 'political correctness', think respect. Terms that were disrespectful, dehumanising or demeaning have been replaced by more inclusive, respectful language. Again, nothing to do with age.
^^^^ This ^^^^

I'm older and didn't have computers at school. However I've embraced technology and that keeps me relevant to the modern world.

If I think back to what our local newsagent's shop was called by most people when I was a kid it makes me shudder now. Does anyone really think we want to return to that?

The world changes and we have to change with it, or we become unemployable and eventually marginalised.

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