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Old 1st August 2016, 17:50   #16
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ADL Pointer Darts with Urban 90 seats....
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Old 1st August 2016, 18:01   #17
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I also don't have a sweet spot for ALD Enviro 200 with Voith transmission. Rather dull and repetitive sounding, Allison ones are way more exciting.
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Old 1st August 2016, 18:02   #18
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I actually didn't mind the eclipses, how old were you referring to when you say old? The Hilsea ones that went to you were lovely when they left. Agree with everything else, the 55 plate tridents were lovely. The mini enviro's were nice providing the rattling had been sorted.

I HATED vario's, and to a lesser extent merc engined Solos.
The 55 plate 66*** were horrible. The newer ones 09 plate 69*** were nicer but I could not get on with them.

Yeah the rattling on the Enviros was pretty awful for the passengers but so smooth to drive, if a little slow some of the older ones. The 2012 ones had no speed limiter on them so taking it down the motorway was fun.
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Old 1st August 2016, 18:10   #19
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I would assume you're no longer based at empress road considering the note under your username?
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Old 1st August 2016, 18:27   #20
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For a new bus, I think the Enviro 200MMC is extremely ugly, and doesn't feel like an ADL product.
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Old 1st August 2016, 18:27   #21
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It is, of course, a personal view but I can't see how the Optare Metrorider or Solo can be in there when there are a raft of van derived minibuses.

Of these, the worst were the Dodge S56. My experiences were of Alexander or NC bodied ones (slow, noisy, terrible ride) but they were good looking compared to these https://flic.kr/p/7GVpym
The Reebur ones used in Plymouth as the Sh*ttyShuttle, sorry, CityShuttle, were fairly awful, especially the first batch (B-reg, 1984-ish) that from memory had automatic boxes. Cracking livery they had when new, though...
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Old 1st August 2016, 18:29   #22
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Well my opinion:-
Like:
Solo, versa, tempo, E400, E400MMC, B7RLE, Geminis, ADL Darts, E300, Omnidekkas, Omnicities, most MCVs, Citaros, B10s, most step darts, Olympians

Hate, but they drive well:
E200, Tridents, B7Ls, B6s

Hate, but they're modern and good seating:
Streetlites, Streetdecks

Just completely hate:
ELC darts, S reg Dart SLFs
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Old 1st August 2016, 18:30   #23
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Ignoring minibuses, early Volvo B6 low-floors were very poor, and older E200s do not age well at all. A well-worn Metrobus was always a ride from hell, while trips on buses with semi-auto gearboxes that were used incorrectly by the driver were never to be savoured.

Leyland and ECW also built some very shoddy Olympians around 1984/85 that were very poor to ride on.
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Enviro 200s. The number of rattles on most vehicles is simply unbearable.
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For a new bus, I think the Enviro 200MMC is extremely ugly, and doesn't feel like an ADL product.
The 'smile' at the front, the 'Streetlite' inspired headlights...

It seems to have gone the 'Wright direction'!
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Old 1st August 2016, 18:53   #26
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The new Routemaster, horrible looking buses in my opinion.
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Old 1st August 2016, 19:11   #27
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Of all time it's the East Lancs EL2000 darts, horrible buses, have to be under 4 foot tall to have any degree of comfort on them, same with any bus that have the dreaded urban 90 seats.

Volvo B6, shake rattle & roll &, similar seating comfort to the East Lancs EL2000 darts.

I dislike the new Wright streetdeck ugly looking vehicle.
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Old 1st August 2016, 19:30   #28
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There is one winner to my mind - the Daf SB220LF with NC/Plaxton Prestige bodywork.
Nailed it. The worst bus ever built. Noisy, rattly, unreliable, slow. It nailed the lot. A big part of the problem was the bodywork, though; the Volvo examples Stagecoach Newcastle had were just as grim, despite the better chassis.

Speaking of Stagecoach, a special mention to the Alexander bodied Mercedes 711, every gearchange being brought to you via the power of semtex. Nobody who's been on one of those buckets should slag off the Metrorider. Riding one of those over Honister was, er, "interesting".

A special commendation to the Temsa Avenue. Fabric velcroed to a concrete block is not a seat.
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Other nominees:

Garbage ex-Manchester s-regs ALX300- Used to be loads of these. Horrible flat board bench seats.

Rattily East Lancs Kinetec- Ugly, dumb attempt at being the future. Hard leather seats, loud stopping bell.
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Old 1st August 2016, 19:51   #30
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Not a fan of any double deck with tiny upstairs windows or thick front corner panels, so basically all variants of the Wright Streetdeck.

I'm not the biggest fan of the NRM but I do agree that they now make an impact in London and do serve a purpose as being an iconic bus.

Any single deck that doesn't have a decent number of forward facing seats in the rear higher up section, Arriva spec ALX300s were like this as are Excels and Tempos.

Volvo B7TLs that sound like an aircraft taking off at this lightest incline.

Any hybrid buses that slow down when changing from electric to diesel, losing all momentum just as the bus needs to get going into traffic.
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