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Old 8th November 2016, 12:08   #16
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@Gordon,

Many thanks indeed for all the information, you certainly know your stuff.
You wouldn't happen to know where I might did diagrams for the loco hauled TER jobs out of Lyon on the Geneve's and Grenoble's in particular?
That's a shame about the RIB/RIO's, but hopefully still on the peak hour workings out of Est as previously mentioned. Can you confirm if their still to be had on Pontoise - Creile with the last of the BB 17000's??

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I didn't know you had any diesels left in België, you do have some nice electrics and some ancient units still running around though!
I do very much miss le Vauban / Iris, (EC90/91/96/97). Such a shame these direct connections to Strasbourg and Bâle were deleted back in April.. C'est la vie...
Did the 55's stop running passenger trains a long time ago?

Bedankt / merci / danke!

@AlexNL,

Geode middag!

Ikt hou van Nederland je treinen en je muziek! Ik probeer te leren Nederlands en ik wil om te luisteren naar puur NL!
-(I still could not get Heer Groningen to confirm or deny if he was also from your country but going by his YN, I'd say Ja!!)

Its a damn shame that the majority of the Intercités de Nuit have been canned now. The Luxembourg-Cerbère was pretty well loaded when I traveled on it on a Friday night, Back in June. As was the Nice-Austerlitz, another loss to progress I guess... At least ÖBB have stepped in to save most of the CNL's though.

Does anyone have any recent info on loco hauled stuff out of Clermont-Ferrand? I heard it used to be a hotbed for proper trains but I fear it may all be units now.

And Intercités 100% eco to Toulouse and -(I think Strasbourg?), are they réservation oblagatoire and are they doable on FIP coupons?


Sorry for all these questions! Thanks very much again guys!!

Merci / dank u wel!
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Old 8th November 2016, 18:16   #17
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Not much ancien units still running in Belgium today I'm afraid, some EMUs from 1970-1980 and that's it. HLD 55 not used any more for passenger service but just for work trains. Idem for HLD 62.

Last use for HLD 55 in passenger service was indeed long ago when they were used on Liege - Luxembourg before the line was electrified in the 90s.

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Old 8th November 2016, 18:34   #18
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Thanks for all the replies guys, lots and lots to choose from then!

@class387,

Excellent, I've been wanting to get some haulage on these elderly locos for ages, I believe the French refer to them as "dancers" as the locos are know to shake all over the place! Would you happen to know of any other RIB/RIO worked trains elsewhere in France -(preferably unrefurbished examples with opening windows?!).

Massive thanks for all the gen/info so far fellas, it's very much appreciated!
I don't know much about the rest of France I'm afraid. It's a shame you missed the BB17000+RIB on Crepy-en-Valois runs. It was great fun when I was there in April.

Here's a link to my thread if it helps:
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=128049
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I didn't know you had any diesels left in België, you do have some nice electrics and some ancient units still running around though!
I do very much miss le Vauban / Iris, (EC90/91/96/97). Such a shame these direct connections to Strasbourg and Bâle were deleted back in April.. C'est la vie...
Did the 55's stop running passenger trains a long time ago?

Bedankt / merci / danke!
I think there are still some AM66s running around. This website should help:http://www.beluxtrains.net/indexen.p...elrollingstock

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Old 9th November 2016, 00:38   #19
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Does anyone have any recent info on loco hauled stuff out of Clermont-Ferrand? I heard it used to be a hotbed for proper trains but I fear it may all be units now.
Clermont is still a relative hotbed for proper trains, purely because all the expresses on the legendary 'Bourbonnais' route Paris - Clermont are still loco hauled, and there has been a pool of 67400 (shedded at Nevers) still allocated to TER Auvergne local services fanning out from Clermont. In the summer the famous Cevenol express reverted for a time to loco hauled - I missed that but then I spent the last 20 or so years catching all the trad stuff all over France before it got down to the low ebb it is today, so I've been favouring Switzerland in recent years as the same pattern of reduction in traditional stock is happening there).

Last I heard the 67400 TERs are still running out of Clermont but it's hit and miss. Trains can be cancelled (local strike or failed loco) but its probably a case of going to the area and seeing what's running.

Strasbourg 67400 operated trains are down to 3 or 4 a day on two routes AFAIK - again I made sure I did the area a few times 3-4 years ago when there were still 10 or 15 trains a day on about 5 routes.


Not to be forgotten is the Bordeaux - Nantes route for 67400-hauled IC trains, and the Paris - Montlucon IC which are 67300 or 67400 hauled between Bourges and Montlucon.



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Old 11th November 2016, 23:43   #20
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While we are on the subject... one 67400 working off Paris Est only carries two numbers on the bodyside, a 5 and a 7 I think... does anyone know which one it is? It was like that in July 2015 and it was still like that this week...
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While we are on the subject... one 67400 working off Paris Est only carries two numbers on the bodyside, a 5 and a 7 I think... does anyone know which one it is? It was like that in July 2015 and it was still like that this week...
Depends on the position of the 5 and the 7, if it is x75xx, then it could be 67522

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I'm fairly sure it is 67x5x - there's a space between the two visible digits.

My mind's gone at the moment; I can't recall if the 5 is before the 7 or the other way round - but there is certainly a gap... If it's the 5 first then it'll be 675x7.

It's often on one of the two peak sets off Est, if that helps? See it from the hotel room...
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I covered the 1605/1705 5 times and got a different loco each time:

67406
67470
67511
67515
67522

There was also a green 'FRET' one that I saw a couple of times, but it never showed up when I was on the train
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Hmmm... It wasn't a green one; it was in the traditional blue with white stripes.
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Hmmm... It wasn't a green one; it was in the traditional blue with white stripes.
Out of the above in 2014:

406/470 = En Voyage

511/515/522 = (Fading) blue and white stripes
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That would logically make 67515 my mystery sighting then wouldn't it?
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That would logically make 67515 my mystery sighting then wouldn't it?
You could be onto something...

This list (not sure how up to date or accurate it is) lists 9 locos allocated to Transilien P activities: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_BB_67400

What you are potentially forgetting when you said that there is a 5 and a 7 with a gap inbetween is that the '5' could come from the sector code at the start of the number.

That said, 67515 is shown as 8 nowadays in my French railways Platform 5 book, but so is 67511, and I have a photo of that clearly with 567511 on its bodyside. Same for (5)67522.

So 5?7???

However, what makes me suggest that the mystery loco is indeed (5)67515 is my photo of it from 2014 - look at the side - all you can see is a 5 and a 7.
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Bingo! That's it - mystery solved!



That also means it's been like that for at least 2 years...
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It's often on one of the two peak sets off Est, if that helps? See it from the hotel room...
That's the only thing they do now anyway - AFAIK, it's that plus a third set in reserve which in the past has been noted sat at Est but not done anything, or very occasionally doing a Provins run vice unavailable BiBi

I had already only taken into account blue ones as I assumed that they are the locos with faded numbers as most of the blue 67s in France are now in tatty condition.

It really is remarkable that a good proportion of the 67s still working passenger are in the same basic livery as they were when designed nearly 50 years ago (I see that 67580 was even down to do a Marseille - Briançon run this weekend

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1) This list (not sure how up to date or accurate it is) lists 9 locos
2) the '5' could come from the sector code at the start of the number.
3) That said, 67515 is shown as 8 nowadays in my French railways Platform 5 book,
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1) list says it's up to date to end October and it certainly looks up to date. And many thanks for reminding me of this lists's existence. I normally use the Trainsdusuduest list but it this wiki list is filterable.

2) great spot - I had forgotten that possibility

3) officially it could well be 8, but given that we are talking about a loco where the bodyside number has not received attention for two years...not surprising it still shows 5 as the sector number!


A few years ago I wanted to phot the two peak trains so I went out into the country, but the day I did it they put the Fret one and an En Voyage one on the two workings - aargh!



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Gordon - when you next stay in Paris, try "Hotel at Gare du Nord" and specifically request room 406 or 506. Perfect birds-eye view of the approach to Est... 72100s pulling away on full power literally under your nose as you get ready for breakfast each morning / settle in each evening...
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