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Old 6th December 2016, 23:57   #1
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Default Season Ticket Split Query

I will soon be commuting from Bradford on Avon (BOA) to Reading (RDG). Due to the times I will be travelling, I'll only be using trains via Westbury and Pewsey.

Doing some quick calculations, a couple of splitting options I saw were (all prices monthly):

1) BOA to RDG season ticket = £714.30

2) BOA to Pewsey season + Pewsey to RDG season = 242.70 + 277.30 = £520

Easy peasy, almost all trains stop at Pewsey so I would choose option 2)...

However, I did a bit more searching and then spotted:

3) BOA to Theale season + Theale to RDG season = 306.10 + 91.80 = £397.90


Am I correct that under the new Conditions of Travel, option 3) is valid, even if I use trains which do not stop at Theale? It is a massive saving compared to even the Pewsey split, so would be great to use it if possible.

If 3) is valid, do you think I am likely to experience problems with ticket inspectors on the train thinking otherwise?

Any help would be much appreciated!
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Old 7th December 2016, 01:01   #2
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Yes 3) is valid because of condition 14.2

On staff not knowing the rules I don't know, but presumably will be linked to how often checks are between reading and the previous stop.
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Old 7th December 2016, 15:15   #3
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Thanks a lot.

Perhaps it would be wise for me to print out the relevant part of the Conditions of Travel, in case of any problems. I'm not keen to get into any arguments with train managers though...
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Old 7th December 2016, 16:07   #4
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I suspect the first one is priced to travel via Swindon (& presumably changing at Bath Spa?) as the Reading to Bath Spa monthly season is also £714.30
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Old 7th December 2016, 17:33   #5
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I agree it's valid on non-stop trains.

However it's unlikely GWR have provided adequate training for their staff in respect of ticket checks, so on some occasions you may find the combination is queried.

There is no need to print the conditions, but it won't do any harm, if you are happy to do so.
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Old 7th December 2016, 21:27   #6
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Yes, I agree about the first one being priced via Bath Spa, that makes sense.

I may print the conditions just to be safe, and will just hope that no ticket checks are made between Reading and Newbury on the non-stop services!

I wonder if any of these anomalies exist elsewhere...
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Old 7th December 2016, 22:13   #7
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Yes, I agree about the first one being priced via Bath Spa, that makes sense.

I may print the conditions just to be safe, and will just hope that no ticket checks are made between Reading and Newbury on the non-stop services!

I wonder if any of these anomalies exist elsewhere...
There are anomalies everywhere. Some pricing managers are very keen to spot them posted on the forum, so they can remove them.

A fares workshop may be of interest?
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Old 7th December 2016, 22:55   #8
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Haha, perhaps I should delete this post then!
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Old 8th December 2016, 15:04   #9
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I may print the conditions just to be safe, and will just hope that no ticket checks are made between Reading and Newbury on the non-stop services!
I travel Between Castle Cary and Reading every day.

You will get ticket checked after Westbury though as thats where I normally get checked.

After Pewsey they are walking through the train asking people if they need to buy a ticket and the same after Hungerford if you are on a service that stops there.

After Newbury the train is full and standing so its very rare you will get ticket checked in my experience.

Hope that helps
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Old 9th December 2016, 00:19   #10
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I travel Between Castle Cary and Reading every day.

You will get ticket checked after Westbury though as thats where I normally get checked.

After Pewsey they are walking through the train asking people if they need to buy a ticket and the same after Hungerford if you are on a service that stops there.

After Newbury the train is full and standing so its very rare you will get ticket checked in my experience.

Hope that helps
Very helpful! Many thanks. Was the return experience from Reading similar in terms of ticket checks?
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Old 9th December 2016, 18:07   #11
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Very helpful! Many thanks. Was the return experience from Reading similar in terms of ticket checks?
On the way home I normally get checked after Westbury. The train manager will walk through but only in the course of his / her duties to work the doors despatch the train at stations before that, but not normally to do a ticket check.

Be warned the train is busy from Reading to Newbury. Your best strategy for getting a seat is to sit right at the front of the train in Coach A, which is the quiet coach, but I prefer that anyway. Or Coach B.

The train will empty significantly at Newbury so you can always shift seats then.

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Old 9th December 2016, 21:15   #12
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On the way home I normally get checked after Westbury. The train manager will walk through but only in the course of his / her duties to work the doors despatch the train at stations before that, but not normally to do a ticket check.

Be warned the train is busy from Reading to Newbury. Your best strategy for getting a seat is to sit right at the front of the train in Coach A, which is the quiet coach, but I prefer that anyway. Or Coach B.

The train will empty significantly at Newbury so you can always shift seats then.

HTH
Thanks a lot. I'll be travelling early am so will hopefully miss a bit of the morning rush, but will be coming home in the rush hour so those tips are very useful. I like the quiet coach too so that is a good shout.
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Old 16th December 2016, 09:47   #13
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Ok so I have another query.

Suppose I buy my BOA to THE season ticket and THE-RDG season ticket. As I said my usual commute would be via Westbury.

On the odd day it could be useful for me to travel via Bath Spa instead (BOA to Bath then Bath to RDG). Would the BOA-THE season ticket be valid in this case? Journey planners seem to suggest that travelling via Bath and Reading is a valid route to Theale from BOA, but it does seem counter intutitive as you'd then have to 'double back' at Reading.

Many thanks in advance.

BOA = Bradford on Avon
THE = Theale
RDG = Reading


**EDIT: Actually, the National Rail website seems to suggest that BOA-THE is not valid via bath and reading - however the GWR website seems happy to sell me a ticket for that itinerary. Bit confused now...

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Old 9th January 2017, 16:42   #14
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Sorry to bring up an old thread but was just wondering if anyone has any ideas regarding my previous post?

To summarise, using a Theale to Bradford-on-Avon season ticket, is it valid to use the route Reading->Bath->Bradford on Avon?

Many thanks,

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Old 9th January 2017, 16:57   #15
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According to http://data.atoc.org/rp_calc it's only valid via Westbury

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