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Old 1st March 2012, 16:54   #31
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Strange considering that Devon & Cornwall have had a large batch of brand new vehicles recently.

As for those deckers down in Plymouth you can bet they will be on their way to Bristol/Bath although I suspect some in the south wales operation will be fighting to get 1 or 2 for the busy routes in Swansea such as those to Oystermouth etc.
What new vehicles have D&C had because I haven't seen them?! The P&R Enviro's at Plymouth are several years old but about the newest vehicles and they seem to be heading elsewhere. Rest of D&C fleet is mostly really ancient Olympians,Dart's and Trident's.
Only other relatively new vehicles are the Manchester cast-off Volvo's and a handful of Optare's.
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Old 1st March 2012, 19:05   #32
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I found an email update in work today stating that no First Cymru buses will run on Sundays after 1900. Thankfully I can catch the train for my occasional Sunday evening beer in Swansea, but sadly I will be by myself because the firends I meet are reliant on the bus!
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I found an email update in work today stating that no First Cymru buses will run on Sundays after 1900. Thankfully I can catch the train for my occasional Sunday evening beer in Swansea, but sadly I will be by myself because the firends I meet are reliant on the bus!
It appears some of the routes are operated under contract to Swansea council after 19:00 on Sundays and they have withdrawn the subsidy in order to safegaurd other daytime routes such as the gower explorer network.

If afres were not so high perhaps some routes could be operated commercially until at least 22:00 on sunday evenings especially some routes to like Blaen-Y-Maes
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Old 3rd March 2012, 16:42   #34
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It appears some of the routes are operated under contract to Swansea council after 19:00 on Sundays and they have withdrawn the subsidy in order to safegaurd other daytime routes such as the gower explorer network.

If afres were not so high perhaps some routes could be operated commercially until at least 22:00 on sunday evenings especially some routes to like Blaen-Y-Maes
Yes, that's what I heard - local authority cutbacks again!

I agree about the fares. I would have thought that the Blaenymaes route and the Morriston and Mumbles corridors might support a Sunday evening service. Taxi's should see a rise in business though!
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Old 3rd March 2012, 18:10   #35
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Greenback you should see how first are struggling in Neath, a lot of services have been cut back. Of Course South Wales Transport are benefiting from the extra passengers the same with Select Coaches.
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Greenback you should see how first are struggling in Neath, a lot of services have been cut back. Of Course South Wales Transport are benefiting from the extra passengers the same with Select Coaches.
There was a South Wales Transport bus down at the bus museum last Sunday. It seemed to be brand new (my knowledge of modern buses is extremely limited!) and had a timetable display at the doors. We didn;t have time to go and have a close look, but it seems that SWT are on the rise!
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I thought SWT* were taken over by First years ago. I suppose this is some new concern, is it? So don't First have the rights to the name?

*South Wales Transport, not South West Trains

** Although thinking of it, I have seen one or two Darts around from an outfit called Crosville Motor Services.
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I thought SWT* were taken over by First years ago. I suppose this is some new concern, is it? So don't First have the rights to the name?

*South Wales Transport, not South West Trains

** Although thinking of it, I have seen one or two Darts around from an outfit called Crosville Motor Services.
SWT and Brewers were taken over by the Badgerline group who the merged with some other group to form First Bus.

The new company is called SWT(Neath) legally although their buses do have South Wales transport on them.

See their website:

http://www.southwalestransport.com/

I did read the manager who runs SWT wasn't too sure if First owed the rights to the original SWT livery which didn't look to be the case although I don't think they wanted to risk a legal challenge from First so they just used the currrent livery.

SWT have risen to the challenge against First around the Neath area and against the odd's are winning especially on the Neath - Cimla route which First are cutting to every 30 minutes using just 1 bus while SWT still have a bus every 15 minutes using 2 buses.

Another operator called Select coaches have also recently started up and are launching more routes in Neath & Swansea. First are taking a battering from Stagecoach & Edwards coaches in their Bridgend - Talbot Green - Pontypridd & Cardiff - Beddau routes. In fact First have withdrawn their Cardiff - Beddau route only 3-4 months after launching it.
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Apparently we can expect new 12-reg buses in April! (My source doesn't know what exactly though.)

I expect they will be new Eclipses for the X39, as part of the Travel+ scheme.
Assuming you are correct for this (I don't know either way) then what is coming will most likely be:

- B7RLE / Wright Eclipse 2 for the X39 (Bristol - Bath)
- B9TL / Wright Gemini 2 for the X1 (Bristol - Weston-s-Mare)

It was recently reported in a newspaper here in Bristol (the "Metro" paper, 3rd week of February IIRC) that the X1 was to see an increase in frequency to every 20 minutes. In addition the 352 will see a change of route in Milton and will also no longer serve Yatton Village. Journeys from Yatton to Weston will be available on Service 125 (see below).

Other changes are also due in the area of Weston-s-Mare are due following the retendering exercise by North Somerset CC: details can be found at http://www.n-somerset.gov.uk/NR/rdon...Web_201202.pdf so see what you make of that lot. Some interesting stuff there IMO.

One interesting side, not given on the NSC website, is that Service X25 is to be withdrawn between Weston-s-Mare and Portishead. Over this section a new Service 125 will operate which will also serve Congresbury and Yatton. The section between Portishead and Cribbs Causeway will continue to be known as the X25. Yatton will regain a bus link to Cribbs Causeway for the first time since the closure of Bridge Valley Road, Bristol forced the withdrawl of Service 600 by NSC.

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First really seem to be struggling in South Wales at the moment.

I have heared rumours from a friend last night that Stagecoach were considering reintroducing a service from Merthyr/ Aberdare to Swansea through Glyneath and Neath in order to compete with First as they smell blood. They are also considering stepping up operations in Pontypridd to compete with First as well as the few independents that operate there.

Conversely with the cut in BSOG some Stagecoach services in their valleys heartlands will be cut or reduced.
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Assuming you are correct for this (I don't know either way) then what is coming will most likely be:

- B7RLE / Wright Eclipse 2 for the X39 (Bristol - Bath)
- B9TL / Wright Gemini 2 for the X1 (Bristol - Weston-s-Mare)

It was recently reported in a newspaper here in Bristol (the "Metro" paper, 3rd week of February IIRC) that the X1 was to see an increase in frequency to every 20 minutes. In addition the 352 will see a change of route in Milton and will also no longer serve Yatton Village. Journeys from Yatton to Weston will be available on Service 125 (see below).
I seem to remember reading that in the Metro too. In all honesty I have always been surprised that the X1 only runs twice an hour; it always seems sufficiently well-patronised to justify a third bus every hour.

Of course, I may be wrong about the X39; the new buses here may be completely unrelated. But it does seem likely...

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Other changes are also due in the area of Weston-s-Mare are due following the retendering exercise by North Somerset CC: details can be found at http://www.n-somerset.gov.uk/NR/rdon...Web_201202.pdf so see what you make of that lot. Some interesting stuff there IMO.
Some interesting stuff indeed. I can only wonder how long it will be before BANES start the same process - they have taken over routes formerly funded by Somerset CC already. Can they really afford three sets of routes?

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One interesting side, not given on the NSC website, is that Service X25 is to be withdrawn between Weston-s-Mare and Portishead. Over this section a new Service 125 will operate which will also serve Congresbury and Yatton. The section between Portishead and Cribbs Causeway will continue to be known as the X25. Yatton will regain a bus link to Cribbs Causeway for the first time since the closure of Bridge Valley Road, Bristol forced the withdrawl of Service 600 by NSC.
Will this operate as a through service, along the lines of the 14/X14, or are the two independent of each other? The X25 never was the busiest route in the Avon area though; I almost wonder what the point in maintaining it is - but if we have a bus to Cribbs Causeway, I guess WsM should too.
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Some interesting stuff indeed. I can only wonder how long it will be before BANES start the same process - they have taken over routes formerly funded by Somerset CC already. Can they really afford three sets of routes? .
Is it any wonder Local Government needs so much money, since there's so much of it? It's like round here, we have a County Council (who are incompetent), a District Council and a Borough Council (who are completely useless).
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Will this operate as a through service, along the lines of the 14/X14, or are the two independent of each other? The X25 never was the busiest route in the Avon area though; I almost wonder what the point in maintaining it is - but if we have a bus to Cribbs Causeway, I guess WsM should too.
My understanding of things is that the buses will operate as Service 125 from Weston-s-Mare to Portishead and then change to Service X25 for the Portishead - Cribbs Causeway leg and that no change of bus will be required.

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First really seem to be struggling in South Wales at the moment.

I have heared rumours from a friend last night that Stagecoach were considering reintroducing a service from Merthyr/ Aberdare to Swansea through Glyneath and Neath in order to compete with First as they smell blood. They are also considering stepping up operations in Pontypridd to compete with First as well as the few independents that operate there.

Conversely with the cut in BSOG some Stagecoach services in their valleys heartlands will be cut or reduced.
Stagecoach used to operate an X55 Aberdare - Swansea & X75 Merthyr Tydfil - Swansea services until 2002 then Shamrock travel introduced a reaplacement X55 Pontypridd - Aberdare - Swansea express after stagecoach withdrew the routes using their scannia double deckers which proved popular especially because of the good views you got.

I am not surprised Stagecoach smell blood SWT and Select coaches have really hit first hard in Neath and Select have started some new routes from the end or this month.

I wish Stagecoach would operate more routes in the Bridgend, Porthcawl & Port Talbot area's by opening a small outstation especially consider Stagecoach fares are far better value than first's
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Apparently we can expect new 12-reg buses in April! (My source doesn't know what exactly though.)

I expect they will be new Eclipses for the X39, as part of the Travel+ scheme.
Latest indications are that our new buses will be Enviros of some kind, but what exactly I don't know. So unless we're getting 300s - and then probably 300s of above-average spec (if not Goldline-esque) - my X39 suggestion looks like it'll be wrong...
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