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Old 24th May 2012, 00:39   #31
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Surely if they're openly admitting an operation is struggling they would be less likely to find a buyer for said operation...
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Old 24th May 2012, 00:48   #32
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Surely if they're openly admitting an operation is struggling they would be less likely to find a buyer for said operation...
Thta may be tru but any interested parties are sure to carry out their own investigations to find out why the operation is loosing money.

It could be the case that people are as you put earlier Ivo put off by the high fares so if a company can afford it perhaps reduce the price of certain fares and perhaps have a special offer palnned for the first few weeks of any new operations.
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Old 24th May 2012, 03:13   #33
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Southampton has just had it's bus service relaunched (some good choices, some bad), new livery but no new ticket machines yet (still using Wayfarer's).

I sorta hope they lose more money after this relaunch and end up pulling out of Southampton and let Bluestar/Velvet take over.
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Old 24th May 2012, 05:46   #34
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buyers might be easier to find if the opperation can bost one or 2 comercial runs in decent nic i.e. making money, with an at least half decent rep and fleat. One of the many problems FSE had was none of the East and Midlothian area was really making anything. Bad news for first and bus users in short term but it will be interesting to see how well the retendered runs do in the hands of Prentis, Eve and ECL.

Wonder if similar things will happen elsewhere? If so the age of the smaller bus opperater may not be over
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Old 24th May 2012, 09:12   #35
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I doubt Centrebus would have the pockets to buy anything from First. Maybe they'll win some more fringe routes that WY Metro tender of course.
They brought the West Yorkshire operations that Stagecoach didn't want (with some help from Arriva.)
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Wonder if similar things will happen elsewhere? If so the age of the smaller bus opperater may not be over
You have to take a look at things in Neath to see that you are correct.
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You have to take a look at things in Neath to see that you are correct.
Or Cheshire - Arriva are happy running the profitable commercial daytime services but if they only break even on a route or it's less profitable in the evening, a smaller operator becomes involved as well.

GHA (North Wales and Cheshire) seem to be one of the few operators that is expanding it's network with more routes and a wider geographic area. I wonder if they'll become the new Crossville.
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Old 24th May 2012, 12:57   #38
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They brought the West Yorkshire operations that Stagecoach didn't want (with some help from Arriva.)
Waterloo was a tiny depot when compared to the First depots in Huddersfield/ Halifax/ Leeds/ Bradford though - and with very little in the way of "assets".

I don't think Centrebus's pockets are big enough for much more
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Waterloo was a tiny depot when compared to the First depots in Huddersfield/ Halifax/ Leeds/ Bradford though - and with very little in the way of "assets".
The assets is partly because Stagecoach switched the buses around so the better former Yorkshire Traction ones went to South Yorkshire and the worse ones were based at Waterloo. Yorkshire Traction had improved their assets over what they were a few years before the takeover.

I do think that both the West Yorks Yorkshire Traction operations and the K-Line operations seemed to be the ones that Yorkshire Rider didn't want, which is probably why Badgerline acquired Yorkshire Rider and not Yorkshire Traction.
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and im guessing similar things have happened in your part of the world Antony?
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I notice that no mention was made of the losses First are expected to make on Olympic contracts....
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I notice that no mention was made of the losses First are expected to make on Olympic contracts....
We know that anything involved with the Olympics operates on different economic principles to the rest of the world, so presumably Lord Coe is subsidising it all.
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I notice that no mention was made of the losses First are expected to make on Olympic contracts....
I would have thought the "positive" publicity associated with said contracts - assuming they don't screw up - would be sufficient to negate that?
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and im guessing similar things have happened in your part of the world Antony?
Yes.

In fact I have been talking to those I know in Stagecoach about the rumours of Stagecoach looking at expanding the South wales operations.

I did get some positive news along with more although I wont publish them until I see any further information.
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We know that anything involved with the Olympics operates on different economic principles to the rest of the world, so presumably Lord Coe is subsidising it all.
Not really, contracts were let out and First screwed up on the tender.
Stagecoach expect to make a profit on their Olympic Family transport contracts, but First bid too low for the spectator transport and will have to foot the losses themselves.
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