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Old 22nd May 2017, 13:24   #121
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Well let's have a guess..............?

The fact is we are all at risk of unintentionally falling asleep.
So, as expected, you don't actually know of the same problem reported on other UK tramways ? We can all conjecture, I was looking for some facts.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 14:48   #122
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So, as expected, you don't actually know of the same problem reported on other UK tramways ? We can all conjecture, I was looking for some facts.
Then perhaps it is best to wait for the RAIB (and other) reports to become available.
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So, as expected, you don't actually know of the same problem reported on other UK tramways ? We can all conjecture, I was looking for some facts.
And you don't know that it doesn't, it would obviously be a reasonable assumption that drivers on other tramways do suffer from tiredness on occasions wouldn't it?
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Old 22nd May 2017, 19:22   #124
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And you don't know that it doesn't, it would obviously be a reasonable assumption that drivers on other tramways do suffer from tiredness on occasions wouldn't it?
If you can't add anything to the discussion, other than trolling to waste everyone's time, it might be that you should be using your skills elsewhere.....
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If you can't add anything to the discussion, other than trolling to waste everyone's time, it might be that you should be using your skills elsewhere.....
It's actually you trolling and wasting everybodys time with nonsensical questions
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Then perhaps it is best to wait for the RAIB (and other) reports to become available.
This thread isn't specifically about the accident but another report of a driver falling asleep at the controls.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 23:24   #127
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Less so, I would say. The frequent stopping pattern and the stretches of on-street running are likely to make tram driving less tedious than heavy rail driving.
I'm not sure about that. I've never driven a tram, however I have sat in the front seats on most of the UK systems looking through open blinds, and to me it looks a lot more monotonous than heavy rail or even LU driving. There's a lot of faffing around changing speeds, but apart from that one section and stop looks pretty similar to the next -- especially on our modern tram systems which were all generally built within the same time period and thus most stops look similar to one another. My suspicion is it's rather easy in these circumstances to go onto autopilot, which is just the situation where something can be missed if not fully alert.

On the railway, a golden SPAD-trap is where someone sights a fully-visible repeater signal displaying yellow, but being one that's often yellow (for one reason or another) the brain acknowledges and normalises this, but makes little or no reaction until the "oh sh*t" moment, by which time it's too late to avoid the SPAD. I could imagine this sort of scenario is pretty likely to occur when driving a tram on a repetitive route - obviously not the signal/SPAD scenario, but certainly possible for changes in speed or other features where a reaction is required.
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