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Old 24th May 2016, 13:26   #1
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Waited until official announcement at 13.00:

First are to pull out of East Lothian and both Depots NB and Muss are to close. ( Look down at bottom of page 1 of detail of Scottish borders)

This is a SAD day for Eastern Scottish, the once grand empire, but its been on the cards for years and its been will know, The clues were all there Accounts which highlighted awful losses, lack of new buses.

Hopeful All staff will be able to transfered to other companies and other First depots.

BUT now we can moved forward and look at all the good thats taken place within Midland Bluebird. New buses, revised networks and new Zonal tickets its a bright future now for FIRST in Central Scotland!

http://www.route-one.net/articles/Op...n_West_Lothian

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First Scotland East confirms that it proposes to cease bus operations in East Lothian from 14 August 2016 and close depots in North Berwick and Musselburgh

First Scotland East (FSE) says that its operations in North Berwick and Musselburgh have not been viable for a number of years, despite working hard to turn the business around and attract sufficient customers in what has become an increasingly competitive market.

The company had also been compelled to maintain the substantial part of its network through undertakings agreed some 14 years ago following an investigation by the Monopolies and Mergers Commission.


Closures will allow FSE to focus on its other operations, it says
FSE was recently released from these undertakings by the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA). In order to put the business on a sound footing for the future, the operator has now decided, following a review, to propose this action and allow it to focus resources in areas where customer demand and satisfaction is growing.

Paul McGowan, Managing Director of First Scotland East, says: “I’m disappointed that we’re proposing to withdraw from Musselburgh and North Berwick. We will today engage with the local authority on the future of bus services.

“However, given there are other bus operators that operate in and around the area, I’m confident if we decide to go ahead with these proposals the majority of our customers won’t be left without a service.”

FSE also confirmed it has started the collective consultation process with Trade Unions on the proposed closure of Musselburgh and North Berwick bus depots.

Redundancies expected among the workforce based across both locations and in supporting roles, if the proposal is implemented. A total of 88 positions are now classed as ‘at risk’.

Mr McGowan says: “I am sorry that we are having to discuss the proposal to discontinue services and consider the possibility of redundancies.

“I must stress our proposals do not, in any way, reflect the commitment and quality of our employees in the area. I cannot speak highly enough of their professionalism and dedication. We will be doing everything we can to assist those affected.”

He adds: “Unfortunately, we’ve incurred losses in East Lothian for years. Should the proposal be implemented this will allow us to concentrate our investment in West Lothian, the Borders and the Central Belt, improving our services for customers and growing our operations in those areas, helping protect jobs in the long term.”

Prior to today’s announcement, First Scotland East began its official consultation process with affected colleagues. This will include offering opportunities in other areas. The company also provided notice to the Traffic Commissioner and the Local Authority of its intention to cease running affected commercial services after the required statutory period of 70 days and affected tendered services after 90 days.

The East Lothian operations affected account for around a fifth of the First Scotland East operation.


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Old 24th May 2016, 13:46   #2
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I would imagine Lothian will step in, so nobody (passenger wise) will be too upset. Shame for the staff though; hopefully Lothian can also take them on.
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Old 24th May 2016, 13:50   #3
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http://www.eastlothiancourier.com/ne...n_this_summer/

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BUS company First Scotland East plans to end all its bus services in East Lothian this summer, it has announced.

All First's operations will cease in the county from August 14, while the company's bus depots in North Berwick and Musselburgh, if the proposals go ahead.

The company claims that its operations in the county "have not been viable for a number of years, despite working hard to turn the business around and attract sufficient customers in what has become an increasingly competitive market".

The firm said it had "been compelled to maintain the substantial part of its network through undertakings agreed some 14 years ago following an investigation by the Monopolies and Mergers Commission" but was "recently released from these undertakings by the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA)" and, "in order to put the business on a sound footing for the future", it has now decided, following a review, to propose stopping running services in East Lothian and "allow the company to focus resources in areas where customer demand and satisfaction is growing".

Paul McGowan, managing director of First Scotland East, said: “I’m disappointed that we’re proposing to withdraw from Musselburgh and North Berwick.

"We will today engage with the local authority on the future of bus services.

"However, given there are other bus operators that operate in and around the area, I’m confident if we decide to go ahead with these proposals the majority of our customers won’t be left without a service.”

The company also confirmed it has started the collective consultation process with trade unions on the proposed closure of Musselburgh and North Berwick bus depots, with redundancies expected among the workforce based across both locations and in supporting roles, if the proposal is implemented.

A total of 88 positions are now classed as ‘at risk’.

Mr McGowan said: “I am sorry that we are having to discuss the proposal to discontinue services and consider the possibility of redundancies.

“I must stress our proposals do not, in any way, reflect the commitment and quality of our employees in the area. I cannot speak highly enough of their professionalism and dedication.

"We will be doing everything we can to assist those affected.”

He added: “Unfortunately, we’ve incurred losses in East Lothian for years.

"Should the proposal be implemented, this will allow us to concentrate our investment in West Lothian, the Borders and the Central Belt, improving our services for customers and growing our operations in those areas, helping protect jobs in the long term.”

Prior to today’s announcement, First Scotland East began its official consultation process with those affected, including "offering opportunities in other areas".

The company also provided notice to the Traffic Commissioner and the local authority of its intention to cease running affected commercial services after the required statutory period of 70 days and affected tendered services after 90 days.

The East Lothian operations affected account for about a fifth of the First Scotland East operation.

For full details of affected services, visit www.firstgroup.com/scotlandeast
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The MP has tweeted:
https://twitter.com/IainGrayMSP/stat...92031329083393

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http://www.scotsman.com/news/transpo...jobs-1-4136617

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Old 24th May 2016, 16:39   #4
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HI,

Overthewater quoted, from First Group, I presume

"BUT now we can moved forward and look at all the good thats taken place within Midland Bluebird. New buses, revised networks and new Zonal tickets its a bright future now for FIRST in Central Scotland! "

I can't find anything about "New Zonal Tickets". Is this true or is the quote referring to the tickets introduced more than 10 years ago !!!!

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Old 24th May 2016, 16:47   #5
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BBC have now got the story,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-36370496

STV has the story
http://stv.tv/news/east-central/1355...crap-services/

Alas First has yet to have any confirmation about anything on their website, whether its First Scotland, or First Group. Also because the school contracts need to go back out to tender, its not know at this moment of time where staff could move on to at this moment of time.

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HI,

Overthewater quoted, from First Group, I presume

"BUT now we can moved forward and look at all the good thats taken place within Midland Bluebird. New buses, revised networks and new Zonal tickets its a bright future now for FIRST in Central Scotland! "

I can't find anything about "New Zonal Tickets". Is this true or is the quote referring to the tickets introduced more than 10 years ago !!!!

Thomas
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https://www.firstgroup.com/south-eas...e/save-falkirk

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Old 24th May 2016, 17:19   #6
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I would imagine Lothian will step in, so nobody (passenger wise) will be too upset. Shame for the staff though; hopefully Lothian can also take them on.
What the betting, that the beach ball bus co, takes-over.
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Old 24th May 2016, 17:28   #7
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What is the fleet profile like in these depots?
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Old 24th May 2016, 17:32   #8
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What is the fleet profile like in these depots?
You can see a Feb 2016 fleet list here

http://www.scotbus.com/scotbus/large...and%20East.pdf

or for excel
http://www.scotbus.com/scotbus/large...eetlists/XLSX/

Muss was given some of the 07 and 09 plate B7RLE to kill of the 51/52 plates

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Old 24th May 2016, 17:39   #9
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Well Lothian have been advertising loads recently for qualified pcv drivers to "expand there network" so looks like they have a plan and hopefully it will mean the first drivers who want a job with them can get one.
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Guess it might help someone of the depots with more old stock if they redistribute the newer stuff.
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Old 24th May 2016, 17:42   #11
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For years, there have been passenger complaints about the quality and reliability of the vehicles on the Dunbar, Haddington and North Berwick to/from Edinburgh services. A common view seems to be that Lothian is the obvious replacement for First (presumably in green with their zoned-fare uplift) - certainly the vehicles and reliability would be better. Eve of Dunbar and Prentice of Haddington are obvious possibilities, but I wonder about Perryman. Their existing 253 Edinburgh - Haddington - Dunbar - Berwick is about two-hourly Monday to Saturday daytime, so a more intensive service over the western end would be a natural extension. And could the North Berwick garage be taken over to operate between there and Edinburgh, and (given the disappearance of buses there at present for schools) maybe it's large enough to partially-supply the other East Lothian corridor as well?
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Does this affect any services of Firsts in Edinburgh?
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I would imagine Lothian will step in, so nobody (passenger wise) will be too upset.
There is some network overlap to Haddington which might be 'rationalised'. Currently 5 an hour to town (not so long ago 2) + 1 to Musselburgh. So there might be some losers, as when Midlothian closed.
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Does this affect any services of Firsts in Edinburgh?
They run the offpeak and weekend 18 for the city council from Musselburgh.

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NOTE: Service no18 is up for retendering over this summer aswell, with plans to double the frequency.
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Its getting worse than...

http://www.bordertelegraph.com/news/...r_the_Borders/

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COMMUTERS in the Borders have been dealt a blow with the news that First Bus could be set to pull the majority of its bus services in the region.


Under new proposals, town services in Hawick, Galashiels, Peebles and Melose would be removed completely, whilst the X95 would be reduced to an hourly service between Galashiels to Edinburgh.


The services affected would be the numbers 8, 9, 61, 67, 68, 73, 75, 76, 77, 90a, X95 and 397.


Should the plans get the go-ahead, the services would cease from August 14.


When contacted by the Border Telegraph, a spokesperson for First Bus said:


“It's important to note this remains a proposal and a period of consultation will now take place. We are speaking to Scottish Borders Council and other organisations in the region to work out the best approach to the challenges we currently face.”

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Does North Berwick actually *need* a bus when it has a train?
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