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Old 24th January 2017, 23:39   #31
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Am I missing something? If you permanently remove a seat from a '17 seat minibus' it becomes a '16 seat minibus' - or, perhaps it doesn't under Construction and Use, or whatever it's called now. Please clarify.
Yes. A "17 seat minibus" has 16 passenger seats plus one for the driver. The driver is not a passenger when considering the number of seats to determine whether D1 is applicable or not.
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Old 25th January 2017, 19:43   #32
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Am I missing something? If you permanently remove a seat from a '17 seat minibus' it becomes a '16 seat minibus' - or, perhaps it doesn't under Construction and Use, or whatever it's called now. Please clarify.
do you levitate when driving a motor vehicle ?

a D1 vehicle with 17 physical seats is entirely legal as a D1 vehicle ... the 17th seat is for the driver ...
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Old 25th January 2017, 20:57   #33
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do you levitate when driving a motor vehicle ?

a D1 vehicle with 17 physical seats is entirely legal as a D1 vehicle ... the 17th seat is for the driver ...
Heard something on the radio yesterday about a guy 6ft 6ins who pleaded guilty to dangerous or careless driving (not sure which) because he was driving with his head extended above the windscreen - I believe it was a convertible. Apparently the police thought he was standing up while driving, but he maintains he wasn't. As he pleaded guilty, we may never know the full story.
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Old 25th January 2017, 21:50   #34
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Yes. A "17 seat minibus" has 16 passenger seats plus one for the driver. The driver is not a passenger when considering the number of seats to determine whether D1 is applicable or not.
I've never heard of bus seating described this way. A 56 seat bus, thousands or which existed in my youth, usually delineated into separate figures for upstairs and downstairs on a decker, would thus be described as a 57 seater now? The driver's seat was taken for granted, so never mentioned, as it would never be available for passenger use.
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Old 26th January 2017, 00:53   #35
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I've never heard of bus seating described this way. A 56 seat bus, thousands or which existed in my youth, usually delineated into separate figures for upstairs and downstairs on a decker, would thus be described as a 57 seater now? The driver's seat was taken for granted, so never mentioned, as it would never be available for passenger use.
Presumably they're preparing for driverless buses.
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Old 26th January 2017, 05:53   #36
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I've never heard of bus seating described this way. A 56 seat bus, thousands or which existed in my youth, usually delineated into separate figures for upstairs and downstairs on a decker, would thus be described as a 57 seater now? The driver's seat was taken for granted, so never mentioned, as it would never be available for passenger use.
The seating capacity would usuallly exclude the driver's seat and specifically refer to passenger accomodation.

56 isn't a common figure, though. B53F was the standard for a 11m service bus and C49F for a vehicle of similar length with coach seats.
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I've never heard of bus seating described this way
For some reason it seems to only be minibuses that are described in this way (usually informally). I think it's probably because, with things like D1 (101) and the post-1997 exemption for charity/nonprofit use under Section 19, the driver is much more likely to be one of the people you are needing to transport than on a full-size bus.
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Old 26th January 2017, 14:50   #38
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It certainly is a fascinating development !

Can anyone tell me how many standees will be allowed please ?

(P.S: I don't like the idea of high-backed seats in a minibus for BUS services -

sounds claustrophobic !)
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Arriva recently trialled a Mercedes Benz Strata (DC16 OBY) in the Macclesfield area. It didn't go down too well when people got left behind because the bus was too small!
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Can anyone tell me how many standees will be allowed please ?
Apparently 8 meaning a maximum capacity of 22 passengers.

They have a maximum capacity of 22 which presumably means 6 standing.
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Apparently 8 meaning a maximum capacity of 22 passengers.
Interesting, as that certainly does remove the ability to use D1-licenced drivers.
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Old 26th January 2017, 15:21   #42
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Arriva recently trialled a Mercedes Benz Strata (DC16 OBY) in the Macclesfield area. It didn't go down too well when people got left behind because the bus was too small!
I found a Youtube video of that from on board. Crikey, that rattles like sin.
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(P.S: I don't like the idea of high-backed seats in a minibus for BUS services - sounds claustrophobic !)
But also comfortable - potentially heading towards car standards of comfort, which is absolutely necessary.
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Apparently 8 meaning a maximum capacity of 22 passengers.
I thought they were 16 + 8 ?
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I thought they were 16 + 8 ?
Edit: No I was right it's total capacity of 22 but not that it's 8 standing when 16 are seated.
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