Converting a terminus station into a through one

142094 · 27th May 2012, 15:12

Has anyone heard of something like this being done before in the UK? At present in Stuttgart, they are in the process of changing the layout of the station so that they can run trains through the station, instead of the current situation where trains have to reverse. I'm not aware of anything like this in the UK, apart from say low level platforms at stations such as Liverpool Lime Street, Glasgow Central or St. Pancras.

trivran · 27th May 2012, 15:18

Blackfriars.

iphone76 · 27th May 2012, 15:34

Not sure if this counts, but Liverpool street and paddington will have through running from some destinations once crossrail opens. Possibly, not exactly what you mean though.

transmanche · 27th May 2012, 15:55

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Originally Posted by iphone76

Not sure if this counts, but Liverpool street and paddington will have through running from some destinations once crossrail opens. Possibly, not exactly what you mean though.

Given the examples of low-level stations given by the OP, I'd say that's exactly what he didn't mean. However, Paddington may still count - as it was partially converted to a through station when the Met arrived in 1863.

How about Newcastle Central? Was that built as a unidirectional station? (Everything from the south had to come via the High Level Bridge and reverse, until the King Edward VII Bridge was built.)

DaveNewcastle · 27th May 2012, 15:58

I suppose you're really thinking of major termini.
Ardrie and Bathgate were both converted from terminal to through stations recently but I'll guess you're thinking more of the likes of Waterloo (to Waterloo East) or Watford (though the Croxley link diverges before the terminus).

MacCookie · 27th May 2012, 16:04

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Originally Posted by DaveNewcastle

I suppose you're really thinking of major termini.
Ardrie and Bathgate were both converted from terminal to through stations recently

Airdrie was already a through station and Bathgate was relocated from where it was situated as a terminus station.

Ewan

LNW-GW Joint · 27th May 2012, 16:13

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Originally Posted by 142094

Has anyone heard of something like this being done before in the UK? At present in Stuttgart, they are in the process of changing the layout of the station so that they can run trains through the station, instead of the current situation where trains have to reverse. I'm not aware of anything like this in the UK, apart from say low level platforms at stations such as Liverpool Lime Street, Glasgow Central or St. Pancras.

Birmingham (Curzon St replaced by New St).
Newcastle (when King Edward Bridge opened).
Bristol TM (linking GW/Midland/Exeter lines)
100-150 years ago, mind.

swt_passenger · 27th May 2012, 16:15

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Originally Posted by transmanche

How about Newcastle Central? Was that built as a unidirectional station? (Everything from the south had to come via the High Level Bridge and reverse, until the King Edward VII Bridge was built.)

Newcastle (as built) was basically two back to back termini. The Newcastle and Carlisle had the western half, but the southmost platforms were provided with a through line on opening.

My source (NERA's High Level and Central Stn 150th Anniversary) reckons that there is doubt about whether any through services ran initially...

transmanche · 27th May 2012, 16:19

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Originally Posted by transmanche

How about Newcastle Central? Was that built as a unidirectional station? (Everything from the south had to come via the High Level Bridge and reverse, until the King Edward VII Bridge was built.)

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Originally Posted by LNW-GW Joint

Newcastle (when King Edward Bridge opened).

Although, after a bit of further research, it seems Newcastle Central was already a through station before the King Edward VII Bridge was built, as trains to/from the Scotswood route accessed the station from the western end.

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Originally Posted by LNW-GW Joint

Birmingham (Curzon St replaced by New St).

Different station in a different location - not quite the same.

142094 · 27th May 2012, 16:23

Might need to clarify slightly - Stuttgart is quite like a station such as King's Cross, with a good amount of platforms that narrow down to a few lines at the throat of the station. The plan at Stuttgart is to remove all of these 'dead-end' platforms and turn the line 90 degress so the new platforms will be constructed at a lower level, but all will be through platforms. In the UK I can't think of any stations that have done this completely, only stations such as Lime Street, Glasgow Central etc that still remain as a terminus station but have some through lines underneath.

I'll have a look at some of the other examples mentioned.

Joseph_Locke · 27th May 2012, 16:24

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Originally Posted by transmanche

Different station in a different location - not quite the same.

How about one of mine - Preston?
or Manchester Hunts Bank?

Ploughman · 27th May 2012, 16:29

York

Totally rebuilt and relocated.

142094 · 27th May 2012, 16:31

The original station is being kept at Stuttgart, so only construction of new platforms. York would have been a good example if the station hadn't been slightly resited to the west.

Yew · 27th May 2012, 17:08

The original nottingham midland station was Terminus, however it was knocked down and the current through station built on the site.

In the process of researching this I found out about nottingham london road, I had always assumed it was an extension of the nottingham station that had fell into disuse and became a health club.

L&Y Robert · 27th May 2012, 17:13

Two terminus stations in Brussels were connected together in time for "Expo 58". I went to it, and arrived at one of them.

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142094 142 aficionado Established Member Join Date: 7 Nov 2009 Location: Newcastle Posts: 7,717	Converting a terminus station into a through one Has anyone heard of something like this being done before in the UK? At present in Stuttgart, they are in the process of changing the layout of the station so that they can run trains through the station, instead of the current situation where trains have to reverse. I'm not aware of anything like this in the UK, apart from say low level platforms at stations such as Liverpool Lime Street, Glasgow Central or St. Pancras. __________________ Stand Clear of the Doors, Please.

27th May 2012, 16:23	#10
142094 142 aficionado Established Member Join Date: 7 Nov 2009 Location: Newcastle Posts: 7,717	Might need to clarify slightly - Stuttgart is quite like a station such as King's Cross, with a good amount of platforms that narrow down to a few lines at the throat of the station. The plan at Stuttgart is to remove all of these 'dead-end' platforms and turn the line 90 degress so the new platforms will be constructed at a lower level, but all will be through platforms. In the UK I can't think of any stations that have done this completely, only stations such as Lime Street, Glasgow Central etc that still remain as a terminus station but have some through lines underneath. I'll have a look at some of the other examples mentioned. __________________ Stand Clear of the Doors, Please.

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Ploughman Member Join Date: 15 Jan 2010 Posts: 785	York Totally rebuilt and relocated. __________________ Bryan http://www.yorkareagroup.co.uk/

27th May 2012, 16:31	#13
142094 142 aficionado Established Member Join Date: 7 Nov 2009 Location: Newcastle Posts: 7,717	The original station is being kept at Stuttgart, so only construction of new platforms. York would have been a good example if the station hadn't been slightly resited to the west. __________________ Stand Clear of the Doors, Please.

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Yew Undergraduate Engineer Established Member Join Date: 12 Mar 2011 Location: Lincoln/Mansfield Posts: 2,576	The original nottingham midland station was Terminus, however it was knocked down and the current through station built on the site. In the process of researching this I found out about nottingham london road, I had always assumed it was an extension of the nottingham station that had fell into disuse and became a health club. __________________ The ancient Romans only gathered once a week, because that was enough forum.

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trivran Member Join Date: 23 Apr 2012 Posts: 61	Blackfriars.

27th May 2012, 15:34	#3
iphone76 Member Join Date: 6 Nov 2010 Location: South Essex Posts: 204	Not sure if this counts, but Liverpool street and paddington will have through running from some destinations once crossrail opens. Possibly, not exactly what you mean though.

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DaveNewcastle admiring the bridges Fares Advisor Join Date: 21 Dec 2007 Location: Newcastle (unless I'm out) Posts: 4,689	I suppose you're really thinking of major termini. Ardrie and Bathgate were both converted from terminal to through stations recently but I'll guess you're thinking more of the likes of Waterloo (to Waterloo East) or Watford (though the Croxley link diverges before the terminus).

27th May 2012, 17:13	#15
L&Y Robert Kitson Wood Member Join Date: 22 Apr 2012 Location: Banbury 3m South Posts: 114	Two terminus stations in Brussels were connected together in time for "Expo 58". I went to it, and arrived at one of them.