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Old 5th June 2017, 08:25   #76
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See the track plans and layout designs, published in SCARM Layouts database in May:

The "Shoreline" Layout in HO Scale




The Future Train Layout of Roger in N Scale




HO Scale Layout in a Storage Room



This one is already under construction and shows how even small irregular rooms can be fitted with nice layouts in it


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Old 24th June 2017, 10:54   #77
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Here is the only SCARM blog post for May:

International Danube Modular Layout Meeting - Russe 2017



The event hosted layouts in HO, TT and N scales and was carried out by more than 40 participants from several countries. Here is the layout scheme:



I also attended and even drove several trains See the pictures that I shot in the blog post's gallery.

Last but not least, I should mention that one of the train stations and several other single modules are entirely designed in SCARM

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Old 15th July 2017, 20:41   #78
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And here is the only blog post for June:

Improvements in SCARM Website

Don't miss that SCARM Approaches v.1.0 Milestone

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Old 2nd August 2017, 20:21   #79
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The new SCARM version is ready and published. Read more about it here:

SCARM v. 1.0 Milestone Released

This version starts a new epoch in the developing of SCARM. Get ready for many new functions and features that will come with the next updates and the future SCARM extensions!

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Old 7th September 2017, 16:28   #80
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Got a pop-up window - There is a pice limit?!? Nooooo! I never knew this!

But then the Full version is $33.90!!?!?!? WHAT!?!?! That is so expensive and unaffordable! I mean £10, £15 for this - fine. But this price is just way too much! Especially considering I am only using it to then spend money on track with model companies. Couldn't you have sought sponsorship by a shop where it will add the track needed into my basket automatically instead to fund it? Very annoying. I mean no wonder you bump this thread all the time for free advertising.

What do I do? Hope the price gets reduce further and delay projects? Delete track parts and replace with flexi-track to work around it? Make my own competing software? See if I can illegally change the limit using software such as cheat engine? This is so annoying!
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Old 8th September 2017, 07:35   #81
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Everything is explained in my blog. And I warned about the upcoming changes more than half year ago. See the summary here:

Everything About The Transition to SCARM 1.0 Milestone

Please, don't offend me by calculating the price for my software, for developing of which I was working 2-3 hours each day and shared it for free for more than 7 years. Especially, when you are using it free of charge just "to then spend money on track with model companies". And yes, SCARM is still completely free for use, but only for small and simple designs. If you want to continue to use my product for larger track plans, please, support my work and obtain a license - it is no more than the cost of a pair of turnouts.

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Old 9th September 2017, 21:17   #82
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I only used the software when I needed to design layout sections, which doesn't occur very frequently. I am not particularly an enthusiast of the software so have no reason to really follow the blog and hence personally to me this was no warning.

I did not calculate a price of the software, just stated the maximum I would be personally willing to pay. I believe there is a massive difference (in personal motivation) between developing software as a hobby and commercially and I believe you are just seeing an exmaple of a person being annoyed about this change [me] which you expected.

I am not that rich - I would love to be able to have enough money to make buying a full license without it being a mega spending decision! Yes, I obviously have the money in the bank [at the moment] which could afford it but there are items much higher in priority to purchase up there [model trains] which are a better investment as I actually get enjoyment out of them! In this case, the software is just a utility to help support that. The points I am buying are the basic Hornby points and even most of those are 2nd hand! It's more comparable to 3-5 points depending on price.

Is there any place I can get an old version from, please?

Luckily I managed to get around it this time by using flexi-track everywhere


Edit: Sorry for my heavy and probably unintentionally rude criticism of the pricing/limit structure. I am just really annoyed I can't justify/afford and like it so much .
I would suggest a cheaper price for a higher limit but that's up to you and I guess it's likely you've already considered it but I would most certainly be a customer of this if you ever decided to make it.

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Old 10th September 2017, 02:20   #83
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I only used the software when I needed to design layout sections, which doesn't occur very frequently. I am not particularly an enthusiast of the software so have no reason to really follow the blog and hence personally to me this was no warning.

I did not calculate a price of the software, just stated the maximum I would be personally willing to pay. I believe there is a massive difference (in personal motivation) between developing software as a hobby and commercially and I believe you are just seeing an exmaple of a person being annoyed about this change [me] which you expected.

I am not that rich - I would love to be able to have enough money to make buying a full license without it being a mega spending decision! Yes, I obviously have the money in the bank [at the moment] which could afford it but there are items much higher in priority to purchase up there [model trains] which are a better investment as I actually get enjoyment out of them! In this case, the software is just a utility to help support that. The points I am buying are the basic Hornby points and even most of those are 2nd hand! It's more comparable to 3-5 points depending on price.

Is there any place I can get an old version from, please?

Luckily I managed to get around it this time by using flexi-track everywhere


Edit: Sorry for my heavy and probably unintentionally rude criticism of the pricing/limit structure. I am just really annoyed I can't justify/afford and like it so much .
I would suggest a cheaper price for a higher limit but that's up to you and I guess it's likely you've already considered it but I would most certainly be a customer of this if you ever decided to make it.
So you got to use a product for free while it was in the testing stage, and now that it has matured, you're complaining that you have to pay for it?

Allow me to quote from said blog post: http://www.scarm.info/blog/general/e...1-0-milestone/

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• All Model Trains Simulator – Power Edition users are receiving FREE License Key for SCARM v.1.0 Milestone edition. The license keys are already uploaded and activated in your accounts.

• All users who donated to SCARM project will receive FREE License Key for SCARM v.1.0 Milestone edition. Just send me a letter by e-mail to and state the account (Paypal e-mail) from which you made the donation.

• All users who contributed to SCARM either with track systems info or major translations of the user interface and the documentation, will get a promo code for discount in order to purchase License Key for SCARM v.1.0 Milestone edition on a reduced price. Just send me a letter by e-mail to and remember me when and how did you contributed for SCARM and I will then issue your promo code.
It's fairly clear that if you contributed to the development of the software you'll benefit in some way, either by being granted a free license key, or by being offered a discount. Did you submit any bug reports, or any feedback?

How would you feel if I asked you to come over and clean my house without payment?
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It did not seem clear to me that it was only a testing stage at the time.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140228.../index_en.html

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SCARM means Simple Computer Aided Railway Modeller – a free software for simplified design of scaled railway layouts and creation of railroad model track plans
This, to me, did not suggest it was only in a testing stage and would become a paid product.

No, I did not, why? Because I found no problems with it. It's not really the type of software I am going to get everyday use out of where [unless there are loads of bugs] I am not likely to come across bugs. I would not send feedback unless invited to as otherwise, I would feel I would be unnecessarily be wasting time.

That is a totally different scenario. Cleaning is a one-off task which needs repeating many times for different users and for general upkeep. Software development is a one-off task* which can be sold/given many times.

[*Yes, I know bug fixes and updates can be applied, but it's still only doing work once to then give too many many people rather than only 1 person benefiting]

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Old 10th September 2017, 14:13   #85
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I'm not a programmer/developer, but the clue is usually in the version number - if it's 0.x then that would indicate that it's still not quite production ready.

You need to understand that prices can and do change. There are many internet services out there that started out as free-to-use, but as time went on it becomes uneconomic to continue with the same model. Look at services like Spotify, which you can use for free, but with limitations (ie adverts), or you can pay a subscription for a better listening experience.

It takes time to write software, and I would argue that it's not a one-off task. Bug-fixing, adding new features etc. is a continual process. It's rather unfair to expect a developer to devote time to providing you with free software when it could otherwise be devoted to projects that do make money. People have to keep a roof over their heads, pay bills and eat!

The software is, as far as I can gather, still free to use for small projects. If you had thought to make a donation to the project early on, we wouldn't be having this discussion because you would have been supplied with a free licence key in recognition of your donation!
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There are far few rules governing version numbering. The only thing I seek to do is to find the highest version number available.

Spotify is not a comparable service. This is a piece of software which you buy to install on your computer and then pretty much everything runs locally. The uneconomic sites like Spotify which look to change usually involve constant communication with clients and servers - the servers being the main cost which makes them uneconomic. The only web service I can directly see from this is the download and information site which takes up far fewer resources and is much cheaper to run than web-based services.

Yes, exactly my point that there is a difference between creating an application commercially and as a hobby. As far as I could previously tell before the free-limit it seemed to be a hobby [the website carries an extremely basic style which is commonly associated with hobby created freeware]. Hence I am annoyed that it is commercial and this didn't seem 100% clear from the start.

I would say that there is no requirement for a developer to add more features or fix bugs. There are many abandoned hobby created software packages available on the internet which have not received any updates for many years and the fact there are bugs are just dealt by the end user and they generally don't mind as it's free.

I consider my project to be small. It just uses a lot of track as it's a storage area. I had only used the software once or twice before which isn't enough usage for me personally to want to make a donation. My pocket money at the time didn't really cover enough scope for me to even be able to consider donations.
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Hi Mixy, many thanks for all your hard work that you've put into SCARM so far. Many of my friends and some clubs and modelling groups, have found it invaluable.
I just wondered, will you be able to consider, adding the Tomy blue plastic track library to SCARM sometime please. (Plarail) https://www.flickr.com/photos/412940...57632519468693

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Plarail looks simple on first sight, but they have many variants including parts varying in start/end heights. These are still not possible to be represented in SCARM, but I will work to improve the internal representation of the tracks in the program, so Plarail will be added in some of the next versions of SCARM.

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Ok, that's great, thank you.
Personally, that would suit me, as I only build flat layouts, where everything is all on the same level, but, in fairness, the vast majority of my internet friends do build multi level layouts using the ramp track items, as they very much enjoy the hill climbing abilities of the Tomy trains and track system.


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I've never used this software, but as someone that knows the value of software development, I disagree strongly with:
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But then the Full version is $33.90!!?!?!? WHAT!?!?! That is so expensive and unaffordable! I mean £10, £15 for this - fine. But this price is just way too much!
And agree with:
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Please, don't offend me by calculating the price for my software, for developing of which I was working 2-3 hours each day and shared it for free for more than 7 years.
However I have a lot of sympathy for:
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It did not seem clear to me that it was only a testing stage at the time.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140228.../index_en.html

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SCARM means Simple Computer Aided Railway Modeller – a free software for simplified design of scaled railway layouts and creation of railroad model track plans
This, to me, did not suggest it was only in a testing stage and would become a paid product.
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Is there any place I can get an old version from, please?
IMO, if it was advertised as being free at the point that a certain version was current, then that version should still be available for free. If a later version is released on a freemium model that's fine, but if you advertise something as being free (and no mention of it being time-limited, as beta version of software often are) then you should stick to this.

Finally, the phrase used was "free software" which as normally used by technologists doesn't just mean not requiring payment (as in "free beer" - 'gratis' in french) also covering certain freedoms (as in "free speech" - 'libre' in french) which once given can't be taken away. However whilst this is the normal understanding of what "free software" means, it isn't a phrase with special legal meaning.
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