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Old 13th January 2016, 21:36   #1
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It's been confirmed by c2c that they've got principal agreement with another TOC to lease 2 5 carriage units.

Any ideas what these could be? All I can think off is the 360's on Heathrow Connect as 442s are 3rd rail. A hint provided by delivery director was the units have an airport connection. Could be some 377s?
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Old 13th January 2016, 21:39   #2
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Has to be the 360s I guess.
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There was speculation earlier that it was related to the 387s, so it may be the case that FGW take on the 387s, sublease/use these to operate the HEx services, releasing some 360s for c2c
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Old 13th January 2016, 21:42   #4
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For that quick has to be something broadly similar so drivers sign them. Otherwise drivers would need training and brake handling which takes time.
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Old 13th January 2016, 21:43   #5
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Aparantly c2c get the units in May.
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If it's quick then my money would be on 377/6 or 377/7 from Southern being covered by extra Thameslink stock?
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If it's quick then my money would be on 377/6 or 377/7 from Southern being covered by extra Thameslink stock?
Won't be the 377/6s any time soon.

My money will be on the 387/1s borrowed from GWR, as unless the bay platform at West Ealing has been completed to allow the Greenford service to be run as West Ealing - Greenford (and hence the path from Paddington - West Ealing being used by a 387 on a Paddington - Hayes service), they won't have much use
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Won't be the 377/6s any time soon.

My money will be on the 387/1s borrowed from GWR
The first 387/1s are due to be released by GTR at the end of March (6 sets) and another 4 at the end of April, so that would certainly fit in with the timescales.
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Old 13th January 2016, 22:32   #9
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Good job as badly needed, though we can add it to Southern, SWT, Thameslink, London Overground and First Great Western when it comes to TOCs serving London that have very recently received additional stock or have confirmed plans. Southeastern passengers meanwhile twiddle their thumbs.
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Heathrow Connect units need GW ATP don't they, because the Heathrow branch doesn't have TPWS. That would suggest 360s from HConn won't be the answer.

Will have to be a different 5 car AC EMU, assuming the detail of the first post is correct as 387s aren't 5 car...

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Old 14th January 2016, 01:22   #11
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If they are 5 car as stated then surely it has to be 377/7 then.

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At some point it might be worthwhile ordering a new fleet for c2c (so they keep a uniform one) and kicking the units to Northern/ATW as replacements for their soon to be acquired pre privatisation stock.
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At some point it might be worthwhile ordering a new fleet for c2c (so they keep a uniform one) and kicking the units to Northern/ATW as replacements for their soon to be acquired pre privatisation stock.
Surely would be more straightforward/cost-effective to pass on the 375/6s and give Southeastern back some 365s
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If it had been 4 car units then class 379's from AGA might have been a possibility with the 360s from Heathrow going there as it would eliminate a microfleet (apart from not having TPWS equipment - would there be any other technical differences between them and AGA's current 360s?

Would the installation of TPWS on the Heathrow 360s be considered a major job where stuff has to be removed/stripped down to gain access for installing bits?
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If it had been 4 car units then class 379's from AGA might have been a possibility with the 360s from Heathrow going there as it would eliminate a microfleet (apart from not having TPWS equipment - would there be any other technical differences between them and AGA's current 360s?

Would the installation of TPWS on the Heathrow 360s be considered a major job where stuff has to be removed/stripped down to gain access for installing bits?
I'm rather surprised if they don't have it already. But the similar units on AGA have TPWS so it's probably just a question of replicating that, unless the ATP or some other different equipment gets in the way.
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