East Midlands Day Ranger

jonb · 2nd December 2007, 22:09

All - Am thinking of purchasing a East Midland's Day Ranger to use next Saturday up to Lincoln. Does anyone know if you can use it on GNER though between Newark - Grantham, as on the map it's not entirely clear?

Many thanks

matt · 2nd December 2007, 22:14

Not valid on GNER

jonb · 2nd December 2007, 22:22

Thanks Matt.

Jon.

91101 · 3rd December 2007, 12:10

No and neither is its cousin, the Lincolnshire Day Ranger. EMT and NT only.

87015 · 3rd December 2007, 12:22

Is it valid on all of EMT or just ex-CT services?

eos · 3rd December 2007, 14:13

http://nrekb.nationalrail.co.uk/prom...7acf894bb.html for details

http://nationalrail.co.uk/download/m...0721104954.gif for map..

It still says 'Central Trains' as the 'valid on ' services, so I would think EMT is now playing substitute, I doubt if they could wangle their way out of liability taking on the franchise..

http://nrekb.nationalrail.co.uk/pass...s/manuals.html says that section G of the National Fares Manual was last updated on 09/09/07, so its getting very dated now...

A0wen · 19th January 2008, 22:13

Looks like the NR website and the fare guide have both now been updated.

Though, the EM Day rangers is not as good as it once was.

The diagram on the NR website is VERY misleading.

It reckons you can go between Nuneaton & Leicester - not now Arriva XC have taken that route from Central you can't.

Also you can't go between Nuneaton & Tamworth - now run by London Midland.

Travel between Leicester & Peterboro is now virtually impossible with EMT only operating a handful of trains on that route.

Not sure you can get from Tamworth to Derby by EMT either.

What I really don't understand is that Arriva XC are accepting the West Mids Day Ranger, but not the East Mids.

**Max** · 19th January 2008, 22:27

Firstly, welcome to Rail UK!

The EM Day Ranger looks to be pretty poor value at what's included now. However, the debate about validity is an interesting one - if you took that map on the train with you between Leicester and Nuneaton and told the guard that it's the most up to date one from National Rail's website, how could they refuse to accept the rover?

Regarding the East/West Mids Rovers, presumably it's something to do with the amount of revenue XC recieves from each.

A0wen · 19th January 2008, 22:49

Yeah, but is it worth getting a penalty fare for

I was surprised that Arriva XC accepted the West Mids given that it means a number of other ex Virgin routes are opened up as a result e.g. Birmingham - Stoke, Birmingham - Tamworth. I wouldn't have thought the EM ticket would have exposed them as much ?

**Max** · 19th January 2008, 23:34

Do XC penalty fare?

Gizmogle · 19th January 2008, 23:39

No, they don't.

class 313 · 19th January 2008, 23:45

I thought all TOC's do. Well, most.

Bonemaster · 20th January 2008, 00:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by class 313

I thought all TOC's do. Well, most.

Only those that have the legal powers to do so can issue you penalty fares, you can however still get a penalty fare, having travelled on an XC service, as it applies to stations as well as services, as a rule it is only London and South East operators within the old NSE area and London Midland in the West Midlands county who can issue them

class 313 · 21st January 2008, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonemaster

Only those that have the legal powers to do so can issue you penalty fares, you can however still get a penalty fare, having travelled on an XC service, as it applies to stations as well as services, as a rule it is only London and South East operators within the old NSE area and London Midland in the West Midlands county who can issue them

Thanks for clearing that up Mark.

A0wen · 24th January 2008, 21:38

Don't know if it's coincidence, but I've noticed that Arriva XC have now been added to the EM Day Ranger on the National Rail website.

Either it was originally an oversight or somebody in either AXC or NR reads these forums

2nd December 2007, 22:09	#1
jonb TOC Owner Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 1,635	East Midlands Day Ranger All - Am thinking of purchasing a East Midland's Day Ranger to use next Saturday up to Lincoln. Does anyone know if you can use it on GNER though between Newark - Grantham, as on the map it's not entirely clear? Many thanks __________________ http://jon-bradley.fotopic.net

2nd December 2007, 22:14	#2
matt Moderator Join Date: 30 Jun 2005 Location: Coventry Posts: 3,206	Not valid on GNER __________________ Matt My Photos and Videos Echills Wood Railway

2nd December 2007, 22:22	#3
jonb TOC Owner Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 1,635	Thanks Matt. Jon. __________________ http://jon-bradley.fotopic.net

3rd December 2007, 12:22	#5
87015 TOC Owner Join Date: 3 Mar 2006 Location: Colchester Posts: 1,936	Is it valid on all of EMT or just ex-CT services? __________________ www.redcow.fotopic.net Inter-Village Trains

3rd December 2007, 14:13	#6
eos Retail Service Manager Join Date: 7 Apr 2006 Posts: 231	http://nrekb.nationalrail.co.uk/prom...7acf894bb.html for details http://nationalrail.co.uk/download/m...0721104954.gif for map.. It still says 'Central Trains' as the 'valid on ' services, so I would think EMT is now playing substitute, I doubt if they could wangle their way out of liability taking on the franchise.. http://nrekb.nationalrail.co.uk/pass...s/manuals.html says that section G of the National Fares Manual was last updated on 09/09/07, so its getting very dated now... Last edited by eos; 3rd December 2007 at 14:16.

3rd December 2007, 12:10	#4
91101 Retail Service Manager Join Date: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 263	No and neither is its cousin, the Lincolnshire Day Ranger. EMT and NT only.

19th January 2008, 22:13	#7
A0wen Train Dispatcher Join Date: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 155	Looks like the NR website and the fare guide have both now been updated. Though, the EM Day rangers is not as good as it once was. The diagram on the NR website is VERY misleading. It reckons you can go between Nuneaton & Leicester - not now Arriva XC have taken that route from Central you can't. Also you can't go between Nuneaton & Tamworth - now run by London Midland. Travel between Leicester & Peterboro is now virtually impossible with EMT only operating a handful of trains on that route. Not sure you can get from Tamworth to Derby by EMT either. What I really don't understand is that Arriva XC are accepting the West Mids Day Ranger, but not the East Mids.

19th January 2008, 22:27	#8
Max Admaxistrator Administrator Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Location: Sheffield / Hull Posts: 3,048	Firstly, welcome to Rail UK! The EM Day Ranger looks to be pretty poor value at what's included now. However, the debate about validity is an interesting one - if you took that map on the train with you between Leicester and Nuneaton and told the guard that it's the most up to date one from National Rail's website, how could they refuse to accept the rover? Regarding the East/West Mids Rovers, presumably it's something to do with the amount of revenue XC recieves from each.

19th January 2008, 22:49	#9
A0wen Train Dispatcher Join Date: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 155	Yeah, but is it worth getting a penalty fare for I was surprised that Arriva XC accepted the West Mids given that it means a number of other ex Virgin routes are opened up as a result e.g. Birmingham - Stoke, Birmingham - Tamworth. I wouldn't have thought the EM ticket would have exposed them as much ?

19th January 2008, 23:34	#10
Max Admaxistrator Administrator Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Location: Sheffield / Hull Posts: 3,048	Do XC penalty fare?

19th January 2008, 23:39	#11
Gizmogle Banned Join Date: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 6,119	No, they don't.

19th January 2008, 23:45	#12
class 313 Banned Join Date: 10 Dec 2005 Location: St Albans Posts: 6,581	I thought all TOC's do. Well, most.

24th January 2008, 21:38	#15
A0wen Train Dispatcher Join Date: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 155	Don't know if it's coincidence, but I've noticed that Arriva XC have now been added to the EM Day Ranger on the National Rail website. Either it was originally an oversight or somebody in either AXC or NR reads these forums