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Old 11th March 2008, 14:45   #1
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Exclamation class 58

question to all about class 58's as we know nearly all are in store including those that will be back in the next few week's but the question is will they see mainline work again and any idea's and possiblitie's are welcome
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Old 11th March 2008, 18:30   #2
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I know that a lot of 58s are wasting away at EWS's Toton depot in Notts, but some have trees growing out of them so it seems unlikely
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Old 11th March 2008, 18:56   #3
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I love bones, i dont see why they dont have a following, non are in preservation exept from EWS ex heritage fleet loco.

As for your question, i'm non the wiser! and would like to know myself.

You say the ones that are returning... those from the continent (mental blank forgot which country) so they will be going straight into store?
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Can't see them being returned to mainline use as a class of 50 they are non standard (like anything that is lower than Class66) - The class 60s are classed as non standard and theres 100 of the still on the rails (not necessarily in working order) and surely it would be more advantageous to run the more powerful 60s instead.
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AFAIK all the 58s that were in France are back here and the ones in Spain are not returning in the forseeable future. However, the three in Holland are meant to be finishing over there later this year, Mercia Charters are planning to run a farewell tour in June.
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Old 11th March 2008, 21:22   #6
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cheers guys thanks for the info
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Old 11th March 2008, 21:23   #7
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EWS have stated that the Dutch ones are coming home, although they have no use for the class 58 in the UK.

Shame really, great loco.
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what i dont get is why havent they beren put up for sale seen as though EWS has no problem in scrapping a large amount of it's 37's.
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58's hmmm, although I quite liked them they were never a great loco to be fair. They were just a tad to IKEA (i.e bolted together cheaply). Back in 1991 (signalman at Madley Jcn) I had more problems with class 58's failing than I did with the class 20's. Still it would be nice to see them back again, although I would rather see 56's back out in force.
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yeah i see your point ghostcav but as i do like 56's we need to think about there reliability also i mean apprently two of the three fastline 56's are out for repairs and 56301 had recently spent some time in brush for repair's.
what's class 20 reliability like???
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They couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding, would slip in the Sahara desert and the stove took hours to warm up, but i always liked working them, much more than the usual pairs of "Toton Deltic's" (20's, knacker bashers, choppers, call em what you will!) that we had most of the time. 58's were warm, comfy, had a nice bouncy seat and sounded good if you got one with howling rad fans!

I liked 56's more though, especially the Romanian ones. Not as user friendly as the BREL built, but a lot quicker off the mark! Not a lot else sounds better than a 56 at full blast. Lost count of the number of times i froze to death with the cab window open listening to the Ruston throbbing away and the turbo screaming!
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58's hmmm, although I quite liked them they were never a great loco to be fair. They were just a tad to IKEA (i.e bolted together cheaply).
The common fault was the dashboard falling off as you were going along! The size of the washers holding it on gradually increased as the years went by. Some drivers also had a perchant for nicking the plastic screw top of the brake handle, leaving you with just a threaded, thin metal rod to brake with.

A thread pattern on your left thumb, and hole in your right thumb (from the overly stiff sand button) was a sure sign to others that you'd had a 58 that day!

I remember a hilarious episode when working the Ratcliffe - Fletton fly ash one day. The loading hopper at Ratcliffe was caked white, top to bottom from years of fly ash residue. 9 times out of 10 you'd have a 56 on this job, but one day i had a 58. The loader, in his freshly washed, neatly pressed blue overalls started to call me through the loading hopper. As the loco drew level with him the unloader valve vented... "PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH".... . I looked back to see a cloud of white fly ash dust filling the loading hopper, and a, now white from head to toe, loader waving his arms about trying to see where he was! Well i p'd myself so much my guts hurt for hours!

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They couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding, would slip in the Sahara desert and the stove took hours to warm up, but i always liked working them, much more than the usual pairs of "Toton Deltic's" (20's, knacker bashers, choppers, call em what you will!) that we had most of the time. 58's were warm, comfy, had a nice bouncy seat and sounded good if you got one with howling rad fans!

I liked 56's more though, especially the Romanian ones. Not as user friendly as the BREL built, but a lot quicker off the mark! Not a lot else sounds better than a 56 at full blast. Lost count of the number of times i froze to death with the cab window open listening to the Ruston throbbing away and the turbo screaming!
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The common fault was the dashboard falling off as you were going along! The size of the washers holding it on gradually increased as the years went by. Some drivers also had a perchant for nicking the plastic screw top of the brake handle, leaving you with just a threaded, thin metal rod to brake with.

A thread pattern on your left thumb, and hole in your right thumb (from the overly stiff sand button) was a sure sign to others that you'd had a 58 that day!

I remember a hilarious episode when working the Ratcliffe - Fletton fly ash one day. The loading hopper at Ratcliffe was caked white, top to bottom from years of fly ash residue. 9 times out of 10 you'd have a 56 on this job, but one day i had a 58. The loader, in his freshly washed, neatly pressed blue overalls started to call me through the loading hopper. As the loco drew level with him the unloader valve vented... "PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH".... . I looked back to see a cloud of white fly ash dust filling the loading hopper, and a, now white from head to toe, loader waving his arms about trying to see where he was! Well i p'd myself so much my guts hurt for hours!

Now this is the stuff i like to hear! awesome stories, makes me want to rush back in time, to that special period.
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yeah, we deffinatly need to hear more story's like that on here.
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I liked 56's more though, especially the Romanian ones. Not as user friendly as the BREL built, but a lot quicker off the mark! Not a lot else sounds better than a 56 at full blast. Lost count of the number of times i froze to death with the cab window open listening to the Ruston throbbing away and the turbo screaming!

I seem to remember from my stints at driving 56's that if you drove them as per driver manual they were quite slow off the mark, but if you ignored the manual & cracked the throttle right open for a few seconds, shut it off completly & then wacked it back open full they shot off like sh*t through a goose. Something to do with confusing the fuel rail feed or something.

Most 58's I remember failing on shifnal bank were due to oil pipes bursting! This one day in 1991, 58001 had failed on shifnal bank, burst oil pipe & the Euston - Shrewsbury IC service following (47500 no less). The 58 driver advised his loco was a complete failure so I arranged assistance using the intercity service behind. Not just the loco mind but the whole 8 coach & DVT set complete with passengers! Well it took a while but 47500 shifted 58001, 30 loaded MGR hoppers & it's own train & pushed the lot onto the goods loop at madley. Then a bit of setting back onto the main & off towards Shrewsbury with it's IC service. I wouldnt like to try that kind of move in this H&S enviroment, or the fact we only have 158's & 170's down there now!
About two hours later a couple of peds turned up from bescot to assist the train that we had already sorted out, god knows what good they would of been! Good job we had already sorted it out really as the leading 31 failed at Madley then & had to be dragged back to bescot along with the 58.

Indeed happy days.

Actually just remembered, 47500 caught fire at shrewsbury station a month or so after that rescue. Never was the same after.
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That sounds fun

Well, you have to drive them like all disels, Grab em by the B*****s and rag them at full throttle
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