Do we need BR back

Lesjordans · 21st June 2005, 21:39

Would it be better making the government run the trains so fares would be cheaper, and not for profit, but as a service

Met Driver · 21st June 2005, 21:43

I don't think the government can be trusted, as they are already proposing a cut in the network's subsidy. Maybe under a different government, yes, but not under this one!

Chaz · 21st June 2005, 21:50

BR would be interesting. It would end the arugment of who the better TOC is. But in the end it would all come down to money on the railways etc.

Simming · 21st June 2005, 21:51

What alot of people dont realise, is that the railways is alot better now than it was under BR. I say keep it Privatised

Met Driver · 21st June 2005, 21:57

Don't forget, it is private money that keeps the trains moving, and keeps new trains coming in. Apart from reliability issues, we have it pretty damn good IMO!

joy54.gen · 21st June 2005, 22:00

BR would make the trains run on time more IMO, also it would be alot easier to hold connections, and make new ones. The money issue though may mean lines close etc.

yorkie · 22nd June 2005, 08:53

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Originally Posted by Seth

Don't forget, it is private money that keeps the trains moving, and keeps new trains coming in. Apart from reliability issues, we have it pretty damn good IMO!

Oh no it isn't! I guess you don't read 'Informed Sources'?

The private sector does invest in trains (in the form of ROSCOs), not the TOCs, however they rake in vast amounts of cash in excessive leasing fees from the TOCs, many of whom are subsidised to a much larger extent than under BR.

evil_hippo · 22nd June 2005, 10:07

I am unilaterally for renationalisation. The railway, to me, as a public service, not a business and should not be run as the latter. Besides, look at punctuality figures!

I might have been against it a few months ago, because of the incentive for new ideas afforded to TOCs. This is when Arriva ran a locomotive hauled service on the S&C along with a service bridging the 3-hour gap northbound in the afternoon and a new evening service out of Carlisle, later than was and now is possible. However, the franchise merry-go-round has not only put our railways in the hands of the oweners of serco education Bradford, making every ticket I buy play on my conscience, but lost us all the new services Arriva started up on their own initiative shortly before the end of their franchise, putting the line back to square one.

Chaz · 22nd June 2005, 16:50

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Originally Posted by joy54

BR would make the trains run on time more IMO, also it would be alot easier to hold connections, and make new ones. The money issue though may mean lines close etc.

I agree! The current TOCs seem to suffer from communication brakedowns at times.

Dave A · 22nd June 2005, 17:06

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Originally Posted by Chaz

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Originally Posted by joy54

BR would make the trains run on time more IMO, also it would be alot easier to hold connections, and make new ones. The money issue though may mean lines close etc.

I agree! The current TOCs seem to suffer from communication brakedowns at times.

MONEY ISSUE

What money issue? According to the Evening Standard, National Rail is rolling in it!

joy54.gen · 22nd June 2005, 17:29

What are you talking about, National Rail was never around in BR days, the money issue is the privatised money that wasn't there in BR days, get facts right before you start moaning.

Dave A · 22nd June 2005, 17:32

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Originally Posted by joy54

What are you talking about, National Rail was never around in BR days, the money issue is the privatised money that wasn't there in BR days, get facts right before you start moaning.

Doesn't he mean reverting back to BR? That's what I mean, there wouldn't be any if they reverted back

TheSlash · 22nd June 2005, 17:53

The staff are being screwed by the private companies who run the railways, bring back one rule for everyone

AlexS · 22nd June 2005, 18:46

Oi, be nice, or be on the receiving end of a whipping!

TheSlash · 22nd June 2005, 19:31

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Originally Posted by AlexS

Oi, be nice, or be on the receiving end of a whipping!

Harsh but true Mr S. Getting a travel pass for your own company is considered good these days, in BR days you had privs which even covered ferry companies. Working practises have changed for the worst aswell when it comes to whats best for the staff

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Chaz Banned Join Date: 13 Jun 2005 Location: Macclesfield, Cheshire Posts: 3,908	BR would be interesting. It would end the arugment of who the better TOC is. But in the end it would all come down to money on the railways etc.

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Simming Banned Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1,666	What alot of people dont realise, is that the railways is alot better now than it was under BR. I say keep it Privatised

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Met Driver TOC Owner Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Posts: 2,097	Don't forget, it is private money that keeps the trains moving, and keeps new trains coming in. Apart from reliability issues, we have it pretty damn good IMO!

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joy54.gen Banned Join Date: 6 Jun 2005 Posts: 632	BR would make the trains run on time more IMO, also it would be alot easier to hold connections, and make new ones. The money issue though may mean lines close etc.

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evil_hippo The pretty one Chief Executive Join Date: 9 Jun 2005 Location: Appleby Posts: 1,030	I am unilaterally for renationalisation. The railway, to me, as a public service, not a business and should not be run as the latter. Besides, look at punctuality figures! I might have been against it a few months ago, because of the incentive for new ideas afforded to TOCs. This is when Arriva ran a locomotive hauled service on the S&C along with a service bridging the 3-hour gap northbound in the afternoon and a new evening service out of Carlisle, later than was and now is possible. However, the franchise merry-go-round has not only put our railways in the hands of the oweners of serco education Bradford, making every ticket I buy play on my conscience, but lost us all the new services Arriva started up on their own initiative shortly before the end of their franchise, putting the line back to square one.

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joy54.gen Banned Join Date: 6 Jun 2005 Posts: 632	What are you talking about, National Rail was never around in BR days, the money issue is the privatised money that wasn't there in BR days, get facts right before you start moaning.

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TheSlash Banned Join Date: 7 Jun 2005 Location: Marwell Zoo Posts: 2,377	The staff are being screwed by the private companies who run the railways, bring back one rule for everyone