[royaloak]

Originally Posted by Dai.

Here here, as a strong user of the railways, with a day planned out with a very good friend using the railways on the 8th, I am extremely dissatisfied at the signallers for calling a strike. As signallers work in an industry where you are in control of a majority of peoples days you shouldn't put other peoples enjoyments at stake because of a tiff with your employer.

Before someone mentions that I'm only going on about this because I'd planned a day out, this is not the case, I think this is a silly thing to do at any point of the year.

How true, much better to have your day out and end up spread all over the tracks because essential maintenance has been "deferred" as at Hatfield.

[313103]

I am glad No one on here is losing their jobs. Perhaps you need to have a chat with those from Network Rail and Jarvis and tell them you can afford to out of work have my job.

[Captain Speaking]

Originally Posted by 313103

Perhaps you like the approach when a Manager comes along and says i am going to screw you , you will say how far do you want me to bend down.

Welcome to the real world! If you feel that strongly about it, and you have the ability, become a manager and run it the way you think is best.

[313103]

Originally Posted by Captain Speaking

Welcome to the real world! If you feel that strongly about it, and you have the ability, become a manager and run it the way you think is best.

Ah Management type person or as they use to be called Bourgeoisie. As for becoming a Manager No Thanks. I get screwed enough by being a peasent.

[Minstral25]

4 working days in a row - signal staff are going to strike from 6am to 10am and then 6pm to 10pm - basically the rush hour so no-one can work for the whole working week (oh yes Monday is a bank holiday)

So I can't get to work, I can't get paid and my kids go hungry (not quite the last one but I felt a need to exaggerate like Bob Crow for a moment)

This strike is despicable - it is deliberately aimed at commuters and to cause the maximum pain to the travelling public

The travelling Public (and some daily mail readers) will have no sympathy with rail workers over this and saying its about safety will not make one iota of a difference

Oh and the travelling public of course indirectly pay his salary - well there's irony

Sure I'll whip up some anger with this message, but surely it would be better to talk to the ORR, make a case in public, lobby parliament or just run some adverts in the papers to make sure the public are informed about the decisions Network Rail are making on their behalf. Maybe just one day of strike. Couldn't try any of that first - NO RMT says lets go on a big strike and cause the ordinary public huge amounts of suffering. It posturing of the worst kind!!

My anger is not at the railwaymen and women who do a wonderful job but at their pathetic hooligan union leaders who are only interested in having a fight

[royaloak]

Originally Posted by Minstral25

My anger is not at the railwaymen and women who do a wonderful job but at their pathetic hooligan union leaders who are only interested in having a fight

Not that NR management are of course

[Dai.]

Originally Posted by royaloak

How true, much better to have your day out and end up spread all over the tracks because essential maintenance has been "deferred" as at Hatfield.

I do like my days out, but when you're in a position where safety, security and enjoyment of the public is the main priority, every precaution must be taken to make sure they are not disrupted.

Take the government for example they'd never do anything to ruin the lives of the general pub... never mind..

[royaloak]

Originally Posted by Dai.

I do like my days out, but when you're in a position where safety, security and enjoyment of the public is the main priority, every precaution must be taken to make sure they are not disrupted.

Take the government for example they'd never do anything to ruin the lives of the general pub... never mind..

Which is what this is all about

Would you rather have a few strike days or another post Hatfield time?

[313103]

Originally Posted by Minstral25

Sure I'll whip up some anger with this message,

Eh actually you wont, we have heard it all before and it really isnt news worthy anymore. TBH i cant spend all night on here arguing with people who dont understand or dont to understand. So i will leave this forum now and let you guys whinge and moan and keep saying all those nasty things about whoever you want to really. Even me if you so wish.

Night All

[Daimler]

Originally Posted by royaloak

Which is what this is all about

Would you rather have a few strike days or another post Hatfield time?

I don't wish to enter the fray too far here (I don't think I understand the situation well enough to do that...), but what guarantees that these 'few strike days' will give those going on strike what they want?

It appears to be being presented by some as a kind of guaranteed way of doing this.

Is it not more likely that it's being used as a threat to Network Rail in order to 'help discussions along' without resorting to the actual strike - which neither party seems to want particularly.

[royaloak]

I feel that the strike call is to get them in charge (government) to bring pressure on NR to take part in MEANINGFUL discussions, not just sit there with their fingers in their ears going la la la la la la ad infinitum.

[Captain Speaking]

Originally Posted by 313103

As for becoming a Manager No Thanks. I get screwed enough by being a peasent.

Well, there you go, then. Perhaps if you had to actually run something within the budgetry constraints imposed by the real world you'd have to take a more mature view.

Holding the public (your customers and your paymasters) to ransom to sort out internal wrangles is despicable. In most industries, if you did that you'd pi55 of your customers big time, who'd go elsewhere. You'd go bust and have no job.

What are you rail strikers? Some sort of protected species?

If you have a problem with your boss, sort it out internally - don't screw up my life and the lives of millions of disinterested others to do so! Or are you letting that Bob Crow use you for his career and political ambitions?

[jopsuk]

Strikes are really not uncommon in manufacturing, Captain Speaking. They're not generally big news, given the more limited impact on the general public, but they happen. As a big example, in 2008 nearly 30,000 production workers at Boeing in the US went on strike for over a month.

[Kernowfem]

Its not the strikes that concern me. I have little knowledge of the ins and outs of the situation, so ill leave the rights and wrongs of the stirke to thise who fully understand the circumstances.
What does concern me however is the impression that passengers are under in regard to the strikes. I was on the sheffield to derby service yesterday sat behind two males chatting about the strikes when one said to the other 'well seeing as there'll be no trains running, which line do you fancy walking?' to which the other replied 'i fancy doing totley tunnel if your up for it'. How thick do you have to be to think this way, its insane...

[CarterUSM]

Good luck to the all the strikers, I hope they will keep their current terms and conditions and show NR management a thing or two about how you treat others. I'll need to find another way to get into work also, but that's just tough. I'll deal with it.