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Old 23rd November 2010, 23:50   #1
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The IMF wouldn't be happy to hear the amount of money that I will probably end up spending on the weekend of Feb 11-Feb 14, and I will probably be taxed out of it in December's budget, but to hell with it I am making plans for this starting tonight...

I'm doing Chingfinders Golloway Galloper tour with DRS 37s on Saturday 12th,
http://www.pathfindertours.co.uk/ind...-galloper.html

I was looking at an interesting way to get over, and was thinking of getting to London and then travelling overnight on the sleepers. But, a chance check onto Spitfire Tours revealed a much better way North on Friday....

Well, how about all the way from Carmarthen-Edinburgh with West Coast 37s....
http://www.spitfirerailtours.co.uk/S...%20Special.htm

Northbound on Friday with 37s, Saturday a jolly around South West Scotland with 37s, a day of rest and pub scratching in Edinburgh on Sunday, and back South with 37s on Monday.

Yes please!
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The IMF wouldn't be happy to hear the amount of money that I will probably end up spending on the weekend of Feb 11-Feb 14, and I will probably be taxed out of it in December's budget, but to hell with it I am making plans for this starting tonight...

I'm doing Chingfinders Golloway Galloper tour with DRS 37s on Saturday 12th,
http://www.pathfindertours.co.uk/ind...-galloper.html

I was looking at an interesting way to get over, and was thinking of getting to London and then travelling overnight on the sleepers. But, a chance check onto Spitfire Tours revealed a much better way North on Friday....

Well, how about all the way from Carmarthen-Edinburgh with West Coast 37s....
http://www.spitfirerailtours.co.uk/S...%20Special.htm

Northbound on Friday with 37s, Saturday a jolly around South West Scotland with 37s, a day of rest and pub scratching in Edinburgh on Sunday, and back South with 37s on Monday.

Yes please!
Looks like I'll be doing the Spitfire Charter from Bridgend - Scotland, should be nice seeing you once again sir ;P and may have to look into the Pathfinder one as I'm up there anyway
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Don't forget that Spitfire also have provisional trips using DRS traction on February 12th and 13th - your Sunday may not end up being a day of rest!
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The Pathfinder tour looks a bit like a Buffer Puffer but with an emphasis on more rural, than suburban, routes.

I'd like to know more about this license Spitfire have for a buffet. I'm not sure where they got the license from or how much they paid, but I was under the impression a license wasn't required for buffet cars on trains!
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The Pathfinder tour looks a bit like a Buffer Puffer but with an emphasis on more rural, than suburban, routes.

I'd like to know more about this license Spitfire have for a buffet. I'm not sure where they got the license from or how much they paid, but I was under the impression a license wasn't required for buffet cars on trains!
I think anywhere selling alcohol will have a license to.

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The Pathfinder tour looks a bit like a Buffer Puffer but with an emphasis on more rural, than suburban, routes.

I'd like to know more about this license Spitfire have for a buffet. I'm not sure where they got the license from or how much they paid, but I was under the impression a license wasn't required for buffet cars on trains!
The same place as all the TOC's who announce having 'a fully licensed buffet car' on board?
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Interesting! As an aside, I note that the "Rug-ex" is down for 4x 37s. I assume this means two will work up and perhaps a different two back, or is there a change en-route. A silly question but what is the range of a 37 before needing re-fueling?
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Interesting! As an aside, I note that the "Rug-ex" is down for 4x 37s. I assume this means two will work up and perhaps a different two back, or is there a change en-route. A silly question but what is the range of a 37 before needing re-fueling?
A pair of 37/5s, which have extended fuel tanks, used to be able to just manage the Burngullow-Irvine "silver bullet" china clay tanks on a single tank of fuel, so about whatever that mileage is! That'll be about 800 miles or so? The Wales to Edinburgh run should be fine on a single tank of fuel.

A very thoughtfully laid out programme of 37 tours for Valentine's weekend it seems. How many disgruntled female partners will that be causing then?

Considering the Wales-Edinburgh trip is principally a "Rug-ex", I'd be slightly concerned about the combining together of a train of rowdy, possibly drunk, rugby fans and rowdy, possibly drunk, gricers...

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Considering the Wales-Edinburgh trip is principally a "Rug-ex", I'd be slightly concerned about the combining together of a train of rowdy, possibly drunk, rugby fans and rowdy, possibly drunk, gricers...
Not sure how Rugby is viewed in the UK, but in Ireland it is seen as an elite sport, associated with the upper class. Certainly you wouldn't see the hooligasm at events that is associated with domestic football. Wine Bars and top restaurants are the order of the day before and after rugby events rather than rioting with rival fans and throwing cans at police.

If it is the same with Rugby in the UK, I wouldn't be worried about fans getting boozed up on a ten hour train trip, it would just be interesting to see what the elites think of the West Coast mk1s.

"Oh my God like, these trains are like...so old, I must get Daddy to drive me in future like, let me put my towel on the seat to sit on top off" would be the attitude from Irish Rubgy supporters.
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A very thoughtfully laid out programme of 37 tours for Valentine's weekend it seems. How many disgruntled female partners will that be causing then?
Given that the tours centre around the rugby match, I don't think the finger of blame with regard to choice of dates can be pointed at either Spitfire or Pathfinder! Perhaps the answer is take the Mrs along, leave her in Edinburgh to go shopping (although that could be fatal...) whilst Mr goes out on the tour. Romantic Burger King together when you get back!
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This could work out to one's advantage if planned properly. Hey love, fancy a weekend in Edinburgh shopping?

37s up on the Friday, two normal days doing the romantic stuff in Edinburgh, and 37s back home on Monday.

Perfect compromise!

As an aside, I imagine accommodation will be ching that weekend.
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Given that the tours centre around the rugby match, I don't think the finger of blame with regard to choice of dates can be pointed at either Spitfire or Pathfinder! Perhaps the answer is take the Mrs along, leave her in Edinburgh to go shopping (although that could be fatal...) whilst Mr goes out on the tour. Romantic Burger King together when you get back!
Ah, clever plan to keep the other half entertained as well!
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Not sure how Rugby is viewed in the UK, but in Ireland it is seen as an elite sport, associated with the upper class. Certainly you wouldn't see the hooligasm at events that is associated with domestic football. Wine Bars and top restaurants are the order of the day before and after rugby events rather than rioting with rival fans and throwing cans at police.
It is true that I tend to follow the rule that "Football is a gentleman's game played (and followed) by thugs, and rugby is a thug's game played (and followed) by gentlemen". I've never known rugby fans in the UK to be as well heeled as the Irish ones apparently are though!
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I think anywhere selling alcohol will have a license to.
I'm informed that there is no license required to sell alcohol on board trains.
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Considering the Wales-Edinburgh trip is principally a "Rug-ex", I'd be slightly concerned about the combining together of a train of rowdy, possibly drunk, rugby fans and rowdy, possibly drunk, gricers...
Probably nothing to worry about (there would need to be far more concern if it was rowdy students moaning at one day if they earn over 21k pa they may have to repay us some money!) I caught several of the trains to Cardiff operated by 47s (and, in one case, a 37) for rugby/football events and didn't encounter any problems.

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Correct. However, as the layman doesn't know a license isn't required for trains, it's easier to say 'licensed bar' than 'a bar serving alcoholic beverages...'

From what I've ascertained, the lack of licensing is due the fact most train serving alcohol (ie, long distance trains) are never under one authorities' jurisdiction for a prolonged period - and as there's no system for a 'national' license, no to mention varying rules in Scotland, it'd be practically impossible to introduce.

Regarding sports events, like most franchised TOCs, tour organisers adopt a dry-policy (as do most supporters clubs). If, however, a risk assessment is carried out, and one is confident that any problems can be mitigated immediately, there's nothing to stop alcohol being served - other than the train supplier stating there's to be no intoxicating beverages sold. A degree of common sense is required here. Some might argue that alcohol shouldn't be served on a train full of bashers- but every tour I've operated (plus dozen with other operators), I have never seen any out of hand behaviour- just merely merry banter.
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The situation in Ireland is the same, no licence required. A train is the only place one can buy alcohol on Good Friday.

The RPSI used to run a good Friday special and it was a serious money maker from drink sales but that got cancelled a few years ago - nothing whatsoever to do with trouble on the train - but more local people at the destination coming down during the layover and trying to get to the bar. One year at Mullingar, about 200 people were waiting for the train to arrive and all sort of trouble ensured.

With regards to normal Irish Rail trains, well with cans been sold for €6 each on-board, nobody in their right mind goes off on the train on Good Friday for a booze up. If you do want to go off on a train on Good Friday for a spin, pop into Lidls the night before and buy 6 cans for 6 euro.

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Don't forget that Spitfire also have provisional trips using DRS traction on February 12th and 13th - your Sunday may not end up being a day of rest!
Well, you were spot on.

Saturday: Glasgow-Edinburgh-Inverness-Aberdeen-Edinburgh-Glasgow
http://www.spitfirerailtours.co.uk/F...The%20Clansman

Sunday: Glasgow Central-Queen Street-Fort William and return.
http://www.spitfirerailtours.co.uk/F...ghlander%20III

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