92 stock ATO

jd · 28th June 2005, 21:56

I know the 67ts is driven in manual in and out of the depot and sidings. Is this also the case for the 92ts, or do they drive themselves then?

Also, on Sundays, is it compulsary to drive in CM, or optional? I've read different sources which contradict each other on that...

28th June 2005, 21:58

Right,

On the LULcentral - ATO codes start when out of depot or sidings. Plus, it is optional to use Coded Manual if drivers would like to do so on Sunday's (I think Saturday's too).

Chaz · 29th June 2005, 16:09

Isn't ATO only on certain places of the Central Line? Depots have to be manually operated.

29th June 2005, 16:18

On the LULcentral, ATO is on all parts of the line except depots.

jd · 29th June 2005, 18:50

Aren't there some problems with the ATO though, esp above ground? I heard somewhere that some parts, especially in the east, its not worth running in auto - they just use CM.

29th June 2005, 18:57

Yes, when trains are coming out of the pipe going EB at Stratford, trains have a tendancy to skid when it is wet.

Mind you, the ATO allows a more frequent service to be operated.

TomCrame · 6th July 2005, 23:18

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Originally Posted by tubechallenger

Yes, when trains are coming out of the pipe going EB at Stratford, trains have a tendancy to skid when it is wet.

Mind you, the ATO allows a more frequent service to be operated.

And WB too, there were a few incidents of technical SPADs approaching Stratford WB in wet conditions.

7th July 2005, 15:49

Hi Tom, yeah, I forgot about that!

Harold · 7th August 2005, 23:09

i think the they put ATO on the central line in the tunnels becuase after what happened in 2001 (i think) when one of the motors on the 1992 stock fell off and caused the train to de-rail

i'm guessing, thats why they put ato on the 1992 as off that incident

correct me if i'm wrong tho

HBA135

7th August 2005, 23:13

I thought ATO was running before that? I thought it was introduced everywhere by January 2001.

ChristopherJ · 8th August 2005, 06:02

The 92 stock can be driven in Coded Manual EAST of Leytonstone and WEST of White City on Sundays, all other times the 92s should be driven in ATO unless there is a fault, authority from Wood Lane has to be given if a 92 needs to be driven in Coded Manual for another reason.

When inside a Depot on the Central Line there are no codes, the 92s are driven in Restricted Manual within depot areas.

There are quite a few problems with ATO in rainy conditions, Stratford (both roads) is common for skidding and wheel lock ups, I once heard a Train heading up the EB road approached the platform, applied the brakes and began to skid, the Train stopped... ...Only 9 cars past the platform! (so that's a whole Train and a bit more!)

ATO was running over the entire Central when Chancery Lane happened, AFAIK not only the Bolts holding the motors were the cause, the stress on the Trains Motors (blame ATO for it's rapid acceleration and braking) caused them to drop off too, now the 92 stock Motors have been slowed down and the running speed is now 85kph. (used to be near 110kph pre-Chancery Lane IIRC)

Galvanize · 8th August 2005, 07:37

They go a lot slower into Bank or Over the points at Leytonstone.

TomCrame · 9th August 2005, 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubechallenger

I thought ATO was running before that? I thought it was introduced everywhere by January 2001.

ATO was suspended WEA to EAB WB only until about a year ago, because of the possibility of a train stopping short but within the tolerance at EAB P5 and having the last set of doors off the platform.

Chancery Lane's impact on ATO was a Software change to the fleet restricting them to 85kph (from 100kph).

9th August 2005, 00:18

I thought that ATO was suspended in that area a while back... so I was right!

jd · 10th August 2005, 01:36

I don't see how having ATO would help solve the problems of trains giving birth to motors mid-journey though...

28th June 2005, 21:56	#1
jd Driver Join Date: 9 Jun 2005 Posts: 627	92 stock ATO I know the 67ts is driven in manual in and out of the depot and sidings. Is this also the case for the 92ts, or do they drive themselves then? Also, on Sundays, is it compulsary to drive in CM, or optional? I've read different sources which contradict each other on that...

7th August 2005, 23:09	#9
Harold Southern Railway Fan! Driver Join Date: 9 Jun 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 614	i think the they put ATO on the central line in the tunnels becuase after what happened in 2001 (i think) when one of the motors on the 1992 stock fell off and caused the train to de-rail i'm guessing, thats why they put ato on the 1992 as off that incident correct me if i'm wrong tho HBA135 __________________ Harold Bailey Railway Photography

8th August 2005, 06:02	#11
ChristopherJ CSA Join Date: 8 Aug 2005 Posts: 107	Re: 92 stock ATO The 92 stock can be driven in Coded Manual EAST of Leytonstone and WEST of White City on Sundays, all other times the 92s should be driven in ATO unless there is a fault, authority from Wood Lane has to be given if a 92 needs to be driven in Coded Manual for another reason. When inside a Depot on the Central Line there are no codes, the 92s are driven in Restricted Manual within depot areas. There are quite a few problems with ATO in rainy conditions, Stratford (both roads) is common for skidding and wheel lock ups, I once heard a Train heading up the EB road approached the platform, applied the brakes and began to skid, the Train stopped... ...Only 9 cars past the platform! (so that's a whole Train and a bit more!) ATO was running over the entire Central when Chancery Lane happened, AFAIK not only the Bolts holding the motors were the cause, the stress on the Trains Motors (blame ATO for it's rapid acceleration and braking) caused them to drop off too, now the 92 stock Motors have been slowed down and the running speed is now 85kph. (used to be near 110kph pre-Chancery Lane IIRC)

8th August 2005, 07:37	#12
Galvanize Executive Director Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Location: South East london Posts: 759	They go a lot slower into Bank or Over the points at Leytonstone. __________________ Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end..... Any quadruple headed baglet haulage gen?

28th June 2005, 21:58	#2
Tom Guest Posts: n/a	Right, On the LULcentral - ATO codes start when out of depot or sidings. Plus, it is optional to use Coded Manual if drivers would like to do so on Sunday's (I think Saturday's too).

29th June 2005, 16:09	#3
Chaz Banned Join Date: 13 Jun 2005 Location: Macclesfield, Cheshire Posts: 3,908	Isn't ATO only on certain places of the Central Line? Depots have to be manually operated.

29th June 2005, 16:18	#4
Tom Guest Posts: n/a	On the LULcentral, ATO is on all parts of the line except depots.

29th June 2005, 18:50	#5
jd Driver Join Date: 9 Jun 2005 Posts: 627	Aren't there some problems with the ATO though, esp above ground? I heard somewhere that some parts, especially in the east, its not worth running in auto - they just use CM.

29th June 2005, 18:57	#6
Tom Guest Posts: n/a	Yes, when trains are coming out of the pipe going EB at Stratford, trains have a tendancy to skid when it is wet. Mind you, the ATO allows a more frequent service to be operated.

7th July 2005, 15:49	#8
Tom Guest Posts: n/a	Hi Tom, yeah, I forgot about that!

7th August 2005, 23:13	#10
Tom Guest Posts: n/a	I thought ATO was running before that? I thought it was introduced everywhere by January 2001.

9th August 2005, 00:18	#14
Tom Guest Posts: n/a	I thought that ATO was suspended in that area a while back... so I was right!

10th August 2005, 01:36	#15
jd Driver Join Date: 9 Jun 2005 Posts: 627	I don't see how having ATO would help solve the problems of trains giving birth to motors mid-journey though...