Todmorden Curve - Page 22

Joseph_Locke · 4th June 2012, 07:05

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Originally Posted by RochdalePioneers

My idea....?

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Originally Posted by RochdalePioneers

Rochdale Station seems like a prime candidate for some kind of resurrection as part of the Northern Hub ... the station has a second island platform ... would probably do for turnback units ...

RochdalePioneers · 4th June 2012, 12:56

I mean that someone else must have thought of it already!

Paul Sidorczuk · 4th June 2012, 18:10

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Originally Posted by RochdalePioneers

The journey to Manchester all the way round the loop with its 400 stops will probably be slower than a change in Rochdale onto an express even with the walk at this "interchange"

400 stops...are there that many bus stops on this route ?
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Originally Posted by Paul Sidorczuk

Has anyone yet an answer to a question that I asked much earlier in this thread...

"What will happen to the redundant abandoned goods yard trackwork nearer to Todmorden station "?

Has anyone any updated news on this matter ?

Joseph_Locke · 6th June 2012, 15:47

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Originally Posted by Paul Sidorczuk

"What will happen to the redundant abandoned goods yard trackwork nearer to Todmorden station "?

Has anyone any updated news on this matter ?

Paul, what redundant abandoned track work? Down side or up, Manchester end or York? The new connection goes tight up against the York end of the viaduct and the crossover betwixt station and viaduct. If there's irnmongery in them thar trees then it will get lifted and removed.

These are fed from the Engineer's sidings in the V of Hall Royd Junction (which are the only ones I can think of) but I think those stay (for no reason I can find other than its cheaper to leave them).

Paul Sidorczuk · 6th June 2012, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Joseph_Locke

Paul, if there's irnmongery in them thar trees then it will get lifted and removed. These are fed from the Engineer's sidings in the V of Hall Royd Junction (which are the only ones I can think of) but I think those stay (for no reason I can find other than its cheaper to leave them).

Thank you for your knowledge of this now-unused area and for the information that you have provided.

L&Y Robert · 12th June 2012, 16:29

I well remember there were signal boxes controlling the Todmorden triangle, but I can't recollect what they were called. North was, I think, Stansfield Hall. East (might be still there) dunno, and west at the very threshold of the viaduct - I don't know either, guess at "Todmorden West Junction". And then there was another (very relevant to me) just beyond the station on the uphill side of the line, "Dog House Lane" perhaps? Anybody know? Pictures woud be good.

Sox · 31st July 2012, 20:34

Todmorden Curve journeys to start after May 2014

11:54am Tuesday 31st July 2012 in News

REPAIRS Holme Tunnel, Cliviger
PASSENGERS won't start direct train journeys from Burnley to Manchester along the Todmorden Curve until after May 2014, it has been announced.

Major work is set to be carried out on a railway tunnel before Manchester-bound trains are allowed through.

Progress is being made on the reinstatement of the Todmorden Curve, which will slash journey times to the city from East Lancashire.

And the long-awaited project, which will also benefit commuters from Accrington onwards, is still on course to be finished by December 2013.

Before the service is launched the following May though, engineers are looking to strengthen Holme Tunnel in Cliviger, on the Copy Pit Line running from Burnley to Todmorden.

Keith Lumley, of Network Rail, said: “This is to correct distortions in the tunnel that are being caused by movement in the hillside above.

“The movement is very slight and quite normal but it does mean that the rail tunnel is no longer perfectly cylindrical so we will have to do some re-profiling work to get it back into shape again.”

Final dates and costings for the work have not yet been set but it is envisaged it will be completed by early 2014.

Mr Lumley added: “It makes sense to delay the introduction of the new train services until the tunnel work is complete.”Further meetings are planned on the tunnel work in September and more details will then be released.

No decision has yet been taken regarding the Burnley to Manchester service route, with Northern Rail’s franchise expiring in April 2013.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...fter_May_2014/

Paul Sidorczuk · 1st August 2012, 16:21

Interesting to note that the final part of the quote says that no decision has yet been taken with regard to the Burnley to Manchester route.

I note the report states that the Northern franchise ends in April 2013, but did not the recent franchise extension take this to 1st April 2014 ?

PR1Berske · 1st August 2012, 17:56

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Originally Posted by Paul Sidorczuk

Interesting to note that the final part of the quote says that no decision has yet been taken with regard to the Burnley to Manchester route.

I note the report states that the Northern franchise ends in April 2013, but did not the recent franchise extension take this to 1st April 2014 ?

Clearly going to be part of the new IC Glasgow - Blackburn - Victoria - Warrington service

Geeves · 1st August 2012, 23:57

So taking a stab in the dark, the Copy Pit route will be closed for a while during 2013/14. I guess that Northern will just run Blackpool N - Burnley and provide coaches to Hebden Bridge for connections? Not too bad I guess.

I was thinking about the service patterns a while ago. I can see a circular Vic - Blackburn - Burnley - Vic with the Clitheroe services either being cut back to Blackburn or perhaps diverted to Preston? Either way unless extra money comes for some extra loops on the Darwen section something will have to go for it to work. Some interesting times ahead!

WatcherZero · 2nd August 2012, 00:13

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Originally Posted by Geeves

So taking a stab in the dark, the Copy Pit route will be closed for a while during 2013/14. I guess that Northern will just run Blackpool N - Burnley and provide coaches to Hebden Bridge for connections? Not too bad I guess.

I was thinking about the service patterns a while ago. I can see a circular Vic - Blackburn - Burnley - Vic with the Clitheroe services either being cut back to Blackburn or perhaps diverted to Preston? Either way unless extra money comes for some extra loops on the Darwen section something will have to go for it to work. Some interesting times ahead!

Theres never been a service pattern decided but the early favourite of planners was extending the Wigan-Rochdale via Victoria service to Blackburn via Burnley. Wouldnt be a circular service (with their inherent problems) but would be a horseshoe on its side.

MattE2010 · 2nd August 2012, 00:21

It should maybe be noted that Bolton-Blackburn as it stands can handle 2tph each way (just!), it's just very tight and often involves a slight wait somewhere, and not aided by the busyness after Bolton. I think a loop at Turton or thereabouts would be sufficient. I can't imagine Clitheroe losing Manchester trains either - there's a strong CRP behind it, plus proposals for extensions on to Hellifield and Settle.

Sox · 2nd August 2012, 06:14

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Originally Posted by Geeves

So taking a stab in the dark, the Copy Pit route will be closed for a while during 2013/14. I guess that Northern will just run Blackpool N - Burnley and provide coaches to Hebden Bridge for connections? Not too bad I guess.

I was thinking about the service patterns a while ago. I can see a circular Vic - Blackburn - Burnley - Vic with the Clitheroe services either being cut back to Blackburn or perhaps diverted to Preston? Either way unless extra money comes for some extra loops on the Darwen section something will have to go for it to work. Some interesting times ahead!

Yes, fixing one weakness in a system tends to expose other weaknesses to greater scrutiny!
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It should maybe be noted that Bolton-Blackburn as it stands can handle 2tph each way (just!), it's just very tight and often involves a slight wait somewhere, and not aided by the busyness after Bolton. I think a loop at Turton or thereabouts would be sufficient. I can't imagine Clitheroe losing Manchester trains either - there's a strong CRP behind it, plus proposals for extensions on to Hellifield and Settle.

Every time I use the Blackburn-Manchester train it seems to hang 'round for an eternity on the section just before it joins the main line at Bolton.

I'm sure it was like this when I was at studying in the 80s.

Would a loop cure this issue?

TimSYoung40145 · 2nd August 2012, 06:39

If your train off the Blackburn line seems to be held for quite a while, then it's down to the pathing of trains coming from the Wigan & Preston lines.

I always thought trains coming off the Blackburn line used the back platform, thus eliminating any conflicting moves.

tbtc · 2nd August 2012, 11:51

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Originally Posted by Geeves

I can see a circular Vic - Blackburn - Burnley - Vic

I think that would be far too complicated, given the single track between Blackburn and Bolton - it wouldn't take much for things to go wrong.

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Paul Sidorczuk Xenophon philosopher Established Member Join Date: 17 Apr 2011 Location: Extremely posh, even by Cheshire standards (Better than Alderley Edge or Wilmslow) Posts: 8,510	Interesting to note that the final part of the quote says that no decision has yet been taken with regard to the Burnley to Manchester route. I note the report states that the Northern franchise ends in April 2013, but did not the recent franchise extension take this to 1st April 2014 ? __________________ "A cynic, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin" -H.L.Mencken. Sent from my stone monolith using cuneiform and runic symbols.

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RochdalePioneers Member Join Date: 2 Jan 2009 Posts: 206	I mean that someone else must have thought of it already!

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L&Y Robert Kitson Wood Member Join Date: 22 Apr 2012 Location: Banbury 3m South Posts: 114	I well remember there were signal boxes controlling the Todmorden triangle, but I can't recollect what they were called. North was, I think, Stansfield Hall. East (might be still there) dunno, and west at the very threshold of the viaduct - I don't know either, guess at "Todmorden West Junction". And then there was another (very relevant to me) just beyond the station on the uphill side of the line, "Dog House Lane" perhaps? Anybody know? Pictures woud be good.

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Sox Member Join Date: 22 Oct 2010 Posts: 87	Todmorden Curve journeys to start after May 2014 11:54am Tuesday 31st July 2012 in News REPAIRS Holme Tunnel, Cliviger PASSENGERS won't start direct train journeys from Burnley to Manchester along the Todmorden Curve until after May 2014, it has been announced. Major work is set to be carried out on a railway tunnel before Manchester-bound trains are allowed through. Progress is being made on the reinstatement of the Todmorden Curve, which will slash journey times to the city from East Lancashire. And the long-awaited project, which will also benefit commuters from Accrington onwards, is still on course to be finished by December 2013. Before the service is launched the following May though, engineers are looking to strengthen Holme Tunnel in Cliviger, on the Copy Pit Line running from Burnley to Todmorden. Keith Lumley, of Network Rail, said: “This is to correct distortions in the tunnel that are being caused by movement in the hillside above. “The movement is very slight and quite normal but it does mean that the rail tunnel is no longer perfectly cylindrical so we will have to do some re-profiling work to get it back into shape again.” Final dates and costings for the work have not yet been set but it is envisaged it will be completed by early 2014. Mr Lumley added: “It makes sense to delay the introduction of the new train services until the tunnel work is complete.”Further meetings are planned on the tunnel work in September and more details will then be released. No decision has yet been taken regarding the Burnley to Manchester service route, with Northern Rail’s franchise expiring in April 2013. http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...fter_May_2014/

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Geeves Member Join Date: 6 Jan 2009 Location: Rochdale Posts: 127	So taking a stab in the dark, the Copy Pit route will be closed for a while during 2013/14. I guess that Northern will just run Blackpool N - Burnley and provide coaches to Hebden Bridge for connections? Not too bad I guess. I was thinking about the service patterns a while ago. I can see a circular Vic - Blackburn - Burnley - Vic with the Clitheroe services either being cut back to Blackburn or perhaps diverted to Preston? Either way unless extra money comes for some extra loops on the Darwen section something will have to go for it to work. Some interesting times ahead!

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MattE2010 The cry was No Surrender Established Member Join Date: 16 May 2010 Location: North Posts: 9,637	It should maybe be noted that Bolton-Blackburn as it stands can handle 2tph each way (just!), it's just very tight and often involves a slight wait somewhere, and not aided by the busyness after Bolton. I think a loop at Turton or thereabouts would be sufficient. I can't imagine Clitheroe losing Manchester trains either - there's a strong CRP behind it, plus proposals for extensions on to Hellifield and Settle.

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TimSYoung40145 Established Member Join Date: 30 Apr 2010 Location: Blackpool Posts: 1,844	If your train off the Blackburn line seems to be held for quite a while, then it's down to the pathing of trains coming from the Wigan & Preston lines. I always thought trains coming off the Blackburn line used the back platform, thus eliminating any conflicting moves.