[Mr Spock]

They do exist - i have met them and actually if you check my name you will see that I am one.

[Bittern]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

They do exist - i have met them and actually if you check my name you will see that I am one.

I always thought you were an unidentified flying object.

Seriously, UFOs and Aliens are as much an interchangeable term as United Kingdom and England are, and it should be common knowledge that they're not interchangeable at all.

Oh, and table38, Data was an android, not an alien...or even a UFO for that matter.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

Originally Posted by exile

Odd that aliens started visiting about the time sci fi films started to come out - before that it was always visions of saints, devils, ghosts and so on.

If you look into the matter even a little bit, you'll see that aliens visited ancient civilizations such as the ancient Egyptians.

[Mr Spock]

Originally Posted by Bittern

I always thought you were an unidentified flying object.

Seriously, UFOs and Aliens are as much an interchangeable term as United Kingdom and England are, and it should be common knowledge that they're not interchangeable at all.

Sorry for getting it wrong my human language still needs a bit of work.

[table38]

Originally Posted by Bittern

Oh, and table38, Data was an android

Yeah, but still an alien andriod

Omicron Theta Remote star whose sytem included a Class M planet where Noonian Soong and his wife created their androids, including Data, while living among 410 other science colonists. All life was wiped out sometime before 2338 by the Crystalline Entity lured there by Lore, Data's predecessor model

Anyway, maybe I meant the one on the left was the alien...

[Bittern]

Originally Posted by table38

Yeah, but still an alien andriod

No he wasn't. He was built by a human.

[table38]

Originally Posted by Bittern

No he wasn't. He was built by a human.

To be pedantic, alien doesn't mean "non-human", it means:

(adjective) a creature from outer space; extraterrestrial.

and extraterrestrial means:

outside, or originating outside, the limits of the earth.

I rest my case (and I'll shut up before the mods have to split this thread into a new "Do Aliens exist" one!)

[Bittern]

Oh yeah? Well...your face is an alien!

[Madge Wildfire]

While I like the idea of time travel, scientifically it seems impossible to actually go back in time so I cant get to grips with the idea that some UFOs are our own craft from the future.

After all, in theory you could come back and drop a dozen giant nuclear bombs over the planet thus destroying the humanity from which you are descended - which would be a contradiction.

Forward in time? maybe if you move fast enough - but not the other way around.

[Greenback]

Aye, but then you wouldn't exist to go back and drop the bombs, so humanity would survive meaning that you would then go back and...

I believe there is a technical name for this, though it escapes me at the moment!

[table38]

Originally Posted by Greenback

I believe there is a technical name for this, though it escapes me at the moment!

Temporal Paradox

Or as Captain Janeway used to say, effect can precede cause

[Greenback]

Originally Posted by table38

Temporal Paradox

Or as Captain Janeway used to say, effect can precede cause

Yes, that was it! Thanks!

Not a big fan of Voyager though...

[LE Greys]

As others have said, there are plenty of unidentified flying objects, because there are plenty of things that can fly and we cannot tell what they are. I've seen some really bizarre sights, among them a Tornado on full reheat flying directly away from me and climbing (which looked like a bright orange light hovering), six lights evenly-spaced in a row sitting off the Norfolk coast (effect spoilt by the Hercules that flew straight in from the sea between them) and plenty of odd astronomical phenomena. Not to mention the B2 I saw going to an airshow once. Odd how many cross-shaped UFOs turned up in the sixties, with pointy ones with a tube on either side in the seventies, triangular-shaped ones in the eighties and wider triangular ones in the nineties. Also odd how Lockheed and Northrop produced some very strange secret reconnaissance and bomber aircraft that looked very similar. Makes you wonder if the US DoD decided to use the UFO thing as a smokescreen for various things they didn't want the KGB to know about.

Originally Posted by Greenback

Yes, that was it! Thanks!

Not a big fan of Voyager though...

Not as bad as Enterprise, though, although that got a lot better just before they cancelled it.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

Originally Posted by Madge Wildfire

While I like the idea of time travel, scientifically it seems impossible to actually go back in time so I cant get to grips with the idea that some UFOs are our own craft from the future.

I really want that to be true, because it means that at some point in the future we will have pulled ourselves together, sorted out all the problems we've produced and developed far enough to discover how to travel in time and not mess up the future. However, I think that the UFO's pilots are more likely to be porcine than the chances of this ever happening. Wishful pessimism. :/

[Bittern]

Originally Posted by LE Greys

I've seen some really bizarre sights, among them a Tornado on full reheat flying directly away from me and climbing (which looked like a bright orange light hovering),

Damn. I wanna see a Tornado. Preferably one that's green and powered by coal.

[Greenback]

Originally Posted by LE Greys

Not as bad as Enterprise, though, although that got a lot better just before they cancelled it.

Indeed. I watched the first episode of Enterprise and found it disappointingly dire.

I returned in the middle of season 4 by accident and was more impressed. So much so that when it was canceleld I purchased the DVD box set of that season. I still have no interest in the other seasons, having caught a few episodes since they were pretty poor.

[Bittern]

Only Enterprise episodes that really stand out are the World War Two ones the the First Contact sequel. Although, I do love the characters. T'Pol in particular had some interesting development.