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joy54.gen · 16th February 2006, 11:58

You haven't seen clag until you've seen a failing 37 trying to climb up to Corrour Summit and keep cutting out. Every time it was re-started massive clouds of black smoke were deposited onto Rannoch Moor. Shame it couldn't go any further than Rannoch.

86242 · 21st February 2006, 14:10

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Originally Posted by joy54.gen

You haven't seen clag until you've seen a failing 37 trying to climb up to Corrour Summit and keep cutting out. Every time it was re-started massive clouds of black smoke were deposited onto Rannoch Moor. Shame it couldn't go any further than Rannoch.

and remember the sparks

Jim · 21st February 2006, 15:21

I quite like the new Enviros actually (went on 1 Wednesday) Forgot to get a shot. (I take it we are on about the 1's on the 24?)

jonb · 21st February 2006, 15:42

Fact # 1 - UNITS do NOT clag.

*End of discussion*

Julian G · 21st February 2006, 16:18

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Originally Posted by jonb

Fact # 1 - UNITS do NOT clag.

*End of discussion*

i swear i saw clag from a 156 and there is photographic evidence

Richard Armstrong · 21st February 2006, 16:26

Come on then show us. I bet it's nothing compared to a proper loco giving all it's got

I suggest people who are too used to units get out and see some proper locos like 37s/47s on preserved lines or if you can, the mainline.
This is a proper loco but you have described this as clag, this is just typical diesel exhaust:
http://images3.fotopic.net/?iid=y4x9...00&quality=100
Here's the caption: A HST showing it's usual behaviour!! (CLAG!)
Now this is what proper clag is (apologies about quality):

AJP · 21st February 2006, 16:40

http://images.fotopic.net/ybl1f5.jpg

Julian G · 21st February 2006, 17:13

i can't find the image,
nice HST behaviour (is that image from a Video?)

jonb · 21st February 2006, 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Armstrong

Come on then show us. I bet it's nothing compared to a proper loco giving all it's got

I suggest people who are too used to units get out and see some proper locos like 37s/47s on preserved lines or if you can, the mainline.

Here, Here!

Techniquest · 21st February 2006, 18:41

Too right! Units DON'T clag. These unit fans need to see the real world of railways and bash a proper train! Get a good trip behind a 37 and you'll be converted! You'll get clag then!

Julian G · 21st February 2006, 19:17

So explain to me what was coming out of that 159 as it accelerated at Clapham Junciton then?
Clag? Smoke?

86242 · 21st February 2006, 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Armstrong

Come on then show us. I bet it's nothing compared to a proper loco giving all it's got

I suggest people who are too used to units get out and see some proper locos like 37s/47s on preserved lines or if you can, the mainline.
This is a proper loco but you have described this as clag, this is just typical diesel exhaust:
http://images3.fotopic.net/?iid=y4x9...00&quality=100
Here's the caption: A HST showing it's usual behaviour!! (CLAG!)
Now this is what proper clag is (apologies about quality):

As that is not a 'real loco' it can't be clag!

Richard Armstrong · 21st February 2006, 21:53

Oh no! Not that discussion.

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Originally Posted by Julian G

i can't find the image,
nice HST behaviour (is that image from a Video?)

Thanks. It is a still from a video. Just to let you know, I'm not having a personal dig at you. I just think the word 'clag' is overused.

Dennis · 21st February 2006, 22:08

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Originally Posted by Richard Armstrong

Oh no! Not that discussion.

I just think the word 'clag' is overused.

All these people from electric trainland getting excited by a few wisps of diesel fume.

Will we mourn the passing of bus clag too when the whole country follows London and introduces fuel cell and electric buses?

Shouldn't we all try and be a bit more environmentally friendly and object to claggy locos? :argue:

Techniquest · 22nd February 2006, 10:46

Just to let you know, yesterday I couldn't see that shot of the ex-VT 43. Now I can, all I can say is HELLFIRE! The rear one appears to be doing just as well! I'd like to know how long they'd been idling!

But then 43144 at BTM that one day, thick black chimneys of clag, wish I'd had the camera! The beast has since been cleaned up and provides a decent offering, but not something that's a potential health hazard if breathed in...

And yes, I agree with Dennis on the fact that it is EMU and OHLE followers that get excited by the tiniest bit of exhaust, as seen in the earlier shot of 43041. That was just 'breathing' by the loco. 43179 on Sunday, on the rear of the 1425 to London, however, now that was clagging nicely, thanks to help from the wind blowing towards me I got a nice dose of it every 5 seconds. Loved it.

As for objecting to 'clagging' locos, is that a Greenpeace supporter over into Trowbridge?

Seriously, I agree to some extent on that, but even so, rail contributes less than 1% of the fumes going up into the air IIRC.

21st February 2006, 15:21	#18
Jim Established Member Join Date: 11 Jun 2005 Location: Trowbridge Posts: 3,125	I quite like the new Enviros actually (went on 1 Wednesday) Forgot to get a shot. (I take it we are on about the 1's on the 24?) __________________ Jim

21st February 2006, 16:26	#21
Richard Armstrong Established Member Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Location: Harpenden, Hertfordshire Posts: 1,902	Come on then show us. I bet it's nothing compared to a proper loco giving all it's got I suggest people who are too used to units get out and see some proper locos like 37s/47s on preserved lines or if you can, the mainline. This is a proper loco but you have described this as clag, this is just typical diesel exhaust: http://images3.fotopic.net/?iid=y4x9...00&quality=100 Here's the caption: A HST showing it's usual behaviour!! (CLAG!) Now this is what proper clag is (apologies about quality): __________________ Richard Photo site \| Video site Last edited by Richard Armstrong; 21st February 2006 at 16:35.

21st February 2006, 18:41	#25
Techniquest Optare Basher Established Member Join Date: 19 Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Heath Posts: 7,794	Too right! Units DON'T clag. These unit fans need to see the real world of railways and bash a proper train! Get a good trip behind a 37 and you'll be converted! You'll get clag then! __________________ Why not have a look at my trip reports? Latest one: Netherlands Bash/The Three Countries

22nd February 2006, 10:46	#30
Techniquest Optare Basher Established Member Join Date: 19 Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Heath Posts: 7,794	Just to let you know, yesterday I couldn't see that shot of the ex-VT 43. Now I can, all I can say is HELLFIRE! The rear one appears to be doing just as well! I'd like to know how long they'd been idling! But then 43144 at BTM that one day, thick black chimneys of clag, wish I'd had the camera! The beast has since been cleaned up and provides a decent offering, but not something that's a potential health hazard if breathed in... And yes, I agree with Dennis on the fact that it is EMU and OHLE followers that get excited by the tiniest bit of exhaust, as seen in the earlier shot of 43041. That was just 'breathing' by the loco. 43179 on Sunday, on the rear of the 1425 to London, however, now that was clagging nicely, thanks to help from the wind blowing towards me I got a nice dose of it every 5 seconds. Loved it. As for objecting to 'clagging' locos, is that a Greenpeace supporter over into Trowbridge? Seriously, I agree to some extent on that, but even so, rail contributes less than 1% of the fumes going up into the air IIRC. __________________ Why not have a look at my trip reports? Latest one: Netherlands Bash/The Three Countries

16th February 2006, 11:58	#16
joy54.gen Member Join Date: 6 Jun 2005 Posts: 614	You haven't seen clag until you've seen a failing 37 trying to climb up to Corrour Summit and keep cutting out. Every time it was re-started massive clouds of black smoke were deposited onto Rannoch Moor. Shame it couldn't go any further than Rannoch.

21st February 2006, 15:42	#19
jonb Established Member Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 1,599	Fact # 1 - UNITS do NOT clag. End of discussion

21st February 2006, 16:40	#22
AJP Established Member Join Date: 30 Sep 2005 Location: Doncaster Posts: 1,148	http://images.fotopic.net/ybl1f5.jpg

21st February 2006, 17:13	#23
Julian G Established Member Join Date: 9 Jun 2005 Posts: 3,379	i can't find the image, nice HST behaviour (is that image from a Video?)

21st February 2006, 19:17	#26
Julian G Established Member Join Date: 9 Jun 2005 Posts: 3,379	So explain to me what was coming out of that 159 as it accelerated at Clapham Junciton then? Clag? Smoke?