[43094]

My friend has an annual Zones 1 - 5 Bus and Train West Yorkshire Metrocard. He also has an annual Steeton and Silsden to Skipton season ticket.

Does anyone know if the services he travels on are required to call at Steeton and Silsden (which is the boundary station of the West Yorkshire Metrocard)?

On previous occasions, on enquiring (at Leeds) before boarding a train that doesn't stop at Steeton, he has been told by one guard that it's fine (and allowed to travel, without being made to purchase an additional ticket), and been told by another guard that it wasn't allowed (and prevented from travelling with the ticket combination above)

Enquiries at a travel centre revealed that the staff there were unsure also.

Is anyone able to shed any light on this?

[142094]

Perfectly fine - I used to commute from York to Leeds using a York - Mickefield Season and a WY Metro Pass, using TPE services which do not stop at Micklefield.

It is covered under Condition 19 of the National Rail Conditions of Carriage section (c):

Originally Posted by NRCoC

19. Using a combination of tickets
You may use two or more tickets for one journey as long as together they cover the entire
journey and one of the following applies:

(a) they are both Zonal Tickets (unless special conditions prohibit their use);

(b) the train you are in calls at a station where you change from one
ticket to another; or

(c) one of the tickets is a Season Ticket (which for this purpose does not include
Season Tickets or travel passes issued on behalf of a passenger transport
executive or local authority) or a leisure travel pass, and the other ticket(s) is/are not.

EDIT:

However, it does depend on where he is travelling from. For example he would NOT be able to use the above combination of tickets when travelling from Wakefield Westgate, Leeds or Shipley on an East Coast service to Skipton.

[43094]

Cheers for that.

Is there anything written down that my friend could print and show if challenged again?

[142094]

NRCoC is online - probably best to take a printout.

Note, I edited my first post but didn't see your reply. Your friend wouldn't be able to use this on an East Coast service, but would be able to use it on the Northern services between Carlisle and Leeds which don't stop at Steeton and Silsden.

[IanD]

Originally Posted by 142094

Your friend wouldn't be able to use this on an East Coast service, but would be able to use it on the Northern services between Carlisle and Leeds which don't stop at Steeton and Silsden.

That's interesting - what is the logic behind that?

[hairyhandedfool]

Originally Posted by Metro Leaflet

Where a passenger holds two or more zonal
tickets in combination or one is a rail season
ticket and one is not, then the train does not
need to call at the station where they change
from one ticket to the other. Please note that
these combinations of tickets do not apply to
services operated by CrossCountry, East
Midlands Trains or East Coast.

http://www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/...nfoleaflet.pdf

[KingBBoogaloo]

Cant you get a Metro Card that covers Skipton these days?

[43094]

Thanks for the replies. Will direct him to the links above.

Cheers!

[dvboy]

Originally Posted by syorksdeano

It only covers buses....crazy I know

Only covers rail actually so your friend wouldn't be able to use the bus services in West Yorkshire.

[kwvr45]

Originally Posted by dvboy

Only covers rail actually so your friend wouldn't be able to use the bus services in West Yorkshire.

That's correct. MetroCards for Rail Zones 6 and 7 are rail only products that allow travel from Skipton or Harrogate into West Yorkshire, then unlimited train travel throughout West Yorkshire.

[dvboy]

Originally Posted by kwvr45

That's correct. MetroCards for Rail Zones 6 and 7 are rail only products that allow travel from Skipton or Harrogate into West Yorkshire, then unlimited train travel throughout West Yorkshire.

A bit annoying if you need the train from zone 7 and buses within zones 1-5, as suggested the OP's friend does.

In the West Midlands you can buy an nTrain out-of-county add-on to an nNetwork (bus, train and tram) ticket.

[34D]

Originally Posted by 142094

However, it does depend on where he is travelling from. For example he would NOT be able to use the above combination of tickets when travelling from Wakefield Westgate, Leeds or Shipley on an East Coast service to Skipton.

I note the link to the WYPTE site, however I fail to understand how clause 19c isn't satisfied (for a journey from Wakefield to Skipton on the through train): one ticket is a season skipton-steeton and the other is a pte ticket (which for the purposes of 19c has the same status as a steeton-wakefield anytime day return.

I take it we are agreed that the metrocard is valid from wakefield to keighley? Or did this change previously?

I don't understand (and I am uncomfortable with) the idea that a paragraph that isn't even in the NRCOC can restrict a passengers rights.

[dvboy]

Originally Posted by 34D

I note the link to the WYPTE site, however I fail to understand how clause 19c isn't satisfied (for a journey from Wakefield to Skipton on the through train): one ticket is a season skipton-steeton and the other is a pte ticket (which for the purposes of 19c has the same status as a steeton-wakefield anytime day return.

I take it we are agreed that the metrocard is valid from wakefield to keighley? Or did this change previously?

I don't understand (and I am uncomfortable with) the idea that a paragraph that isn't even in the NRCOC can restrict a passengers rights.

I think the words

(unless special conditions prohibit their use);

might cover that.

[island]

Originally Posted by dvboy

I think the words

might cover that.

No, because they're suffixed to condition 19 (a) and we are seeking to rely on 19 (c).

[hairyhandedfool]

Condition 1?