[jcollins]

Originally Posted by gnolife

Solos have turned up on the 199, at a time when it picks up loads of Stockport Grammar and Hazel Grove High schoolkids.

One problem with Bowers was they seemed to have too many Solos meaning it was frequent for a Solo to stand-in for a higher capacity bus when one was out of service. It sounds like that is continuing under High Peak.

[Paul Sidorczuk]

Can someone inform me if there has to be a requirement for a certain standard of bus which has to run journey lengths of the same length as that of Nottingham to Manchester ?

[Deerfold]

Originally Posted by Paul Sidorczuk

Can someone inform me if there has to be a requirement for a certain standard of bus which has to run journey lengths of the same length as that of Nottingham to Manchester ?

I don't think so -so long as it's good enough to run as a bus it sould be able to run anything. Whether they'll scare passengers away is another matter.

[omnibologist]

The ex Trent services are presently being run from Dove Holes and ex Bowers from Chapel and seem set to continue for a while which is to allow for reconstruction/reorganisation at Dove Holes.
The management are confident that the majority of buses will be accomodated at Dove Holes (a few contract vehicles to remain at Chapel), the road staff are a little sceptical.
Transpeak and Skyline are to remain in ther branded liveries with replacement Transpeak vehicles acquiring Transpeak livery, probably green.
Vehicles are swopped between depots for breakdown cover and for maintenece but I can't remember a Solo on Skyline though I'm not there all the time.
As for timetables ticketing etc, after a year's wait the whole thing seems to have sneaked up on them

[Paul Sidorczuk]

Originally Posted by omnibologist

Transpeak and Skyline are to remain in ther branded liveries with replacement Transpeak vehicles acquiring Transpeak livery, probably green.

I see the Buxton to Manchester Airport "Skyline" 199 service quite often at Manchester Airport bus station and the livery colour scheme they have carried always looks very good.

I see the new High Peak two-tone livery scheme is somewhat garish in the choice of the two colours chosen.

Perhaps my idea of a livery is somewhat conservative but my own views expressed in terms of "supermarket" comparisons would be:-
Existing "Skyline" 199 livery.......Marks & Spencer
New "High Peak" livery..............Netto

[johnnychips]

Originally Posted by Paul Sidorczuk

Perhaps my idea of a livery is somewhat conservative but my own views expressed in terms of "supermarket" comparisons would be:-
Existing "Skyline" 199 livery.......Marks & Spencer
New "High Peak" livery..............Netto

Paul. I'm afraid Netto have been taken over by Asda. Has the Macclesfield one closed? And their shopping bags were yellow and black, so that's more like Bournemouth or Wilfreda-Beehive school buses.

In fact, it would be nice to get some unity of colours (however garish) and some nice vehicles on the TP, which really should be their flagship route.

[omnibologist]

Originally Posted by Paul Sidorczuk

Can someone inform me if there has to be a requirement for a certain standard of bus which has to run journey lengths of the same length as that of Nottingham to Manchester ?

They are promising newer Scanias for Transpeak but as it is registered as a local service they will have to be low floor and not coaches so probably "Omnilinks" or "Wright Solars"
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Originally Posted by jcollins

One problem with Bowers was they seemed to have too many Solos meaning it was frequent for a Solo to stand-in for a higher capacity bus when one was out of service. It sounds like that is continuing under High Peak.

The majority of ex Bowers routes only need small capacity buses so a large fleet of "Solos" is the sensible solution

[Paul Sidorczuk]

Originally Posted by omnibologist

They are promising newer Scanias for Transpeak but as it is registered as a local service they will have to be low floor and not coaches so probably "Omnilinks" or "Wright Solars"

How can Nottingham/Derby to Manchester ever be classified as "a local service", as this part of the route would have to be shown in the submission documentation. Surely that anomoly would have been seen and queried by the relevant body concerned.
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Originally Posted by johnnychips

Paul. I'm afraid Netto have been taken over by Asda. Has the Macclesfield one closed? And their shopping bags were yellow and black, so that's more like Bournemouth or Wilfreda-Beehive school buses.

Thank you for your "Supermarket" clarification...these were just two names plucked out of the ether to show "classical" and "cheap and cheery" establishments as somewhat of a correlation.....not as an actual livery colour scheme comparison. (I was originally going to use Waitrose instead of Marks and Spencer).

I am still not enamoured of the chosen High Peak two-colour scheme, but everyone knows how conservatively I view poor artistic colour schemes. I still would have preferred the single colour dark-red colour scheme for the entire High Peak group that is carried by the 199 Skylink service, which I still regard as "classical".

[Deerfold]

Originally Posted by Paul Sidorczuk

How can Nottingham/Derby to Manchester ever be classified as "a local service", as this part of the route would have to be shown in the submission documentation. Surely that anomoly would have been seen and queried by the relevant body concerned.

It is the distance between stops which determines if a service is local, not the length of a route.

[Paul Sidorczuk]

Originally Posted by Deerfold

It is the distance between stops which determines if a service is local, not the length of a route.

I was under the impression that the Transpeak did have stretches of a goodly distance between certain area stops...the stopping sequence from Manchester to Stockport alone being a prime example of this. Can you comment on the stopping sequence from Stockport onwards to give similar examples as that stretch that I have just quoted. I appreciate from Buxton to Matlock may well be served by more of a local stopping pattern.

[gnolife]

From Stockport to Buxton, the stopping pattern is
Stepping Hill, Hazel Grove Instore, Hazel Grove Rising Sun, High Lane, Disley, Newtown, Furness Vale, Dove Holes, Fairfield, Buxton Station, Buxton Market Place

[Deerfold]

Originally Posted by Paul Sidorczuk

I was under the impression that the Transpeak did have stretches of a goodly distance between certain area stops...the stopping sequence from Manchester to Stockport alone being a prime example of this. Can you comment on the stopping sequence from Stockport onwards to give similar examples as that stretch that I have just quoted. I appreciate from Buxton to Matlock may well be served by more of a local stopping pattern.

Generally there need to be gaps of over 15 miles between stops for it not to be a local service. I don't think anywhere on Transpeak comes close to that whereas National Express's 350 Nottingham - Manchester (and beyond) service does.

See http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...SV%20353A).pdf (page 2)

[BuhSnarf]

In fact, it would be nice to get some unity of colours (however garish) and some nice vehicles on the TP, which really should be their flagship route.

You would think as it's a joint venture with wellglade that they'd be able to call upon their marketing and livery teams to come up with something good!

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[omnibologist]

Originally Posted by Paul Sidorczuk

How can Nottingham/Derby to Manchester ever be classified as "a local service", as this part of the route would have to be shown in the submission documentation. Surely that anomoly would have been seen and queried by the relevant body concerned.
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Thank you for your "Supermarket" clarification...these were just two names plucked out of the ether to show "classical" and "cheap and cheery" establishments as somewhat of a correlation.....not as an actual livery colour scheme comparison. (I was originally going to use Waitrose instead of Marks and Spencer).

I am still not enamoured of the chosen High Peak two-colour scheme, but everyone knows how conservatively I view poor artistic colour schemes. I still would have preferred the single colour dark-red colour scheme for the entire High Peak group that is carried by the 199 Skylink service, which I still regard as "classical".

Transpeak has been split into 4 seperate interconnecting routes TP1 - 4 advertised as connecting but with no need to change buses as the bus continues all the way, which apparently makes it ok to be a local service
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Originally Posted by Deerfold

Generally there need to be gaps of over 15 miles between stops for it not to be a local service. I don't think anywhere on Transpeak comes close to that whereas National Express's 350 Nottingham - Manchester (and beyond) service does.

See http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...SV%20353A).pdf (page 2)

Some parts of TP serve all stops eg Matlock to Buxton

[Deerfold]

Originally Posted by omnibologist

Transpeak has been split into 4 seperate interconnecting routes TP1 - 4 advertised as connecting but with no need to change buses as the bus continues all the way, which apparently makes it ok to be a local service

That's just down to driver hours regulations - it could still be registered as a local bus service along the whole route, it'd just need the vehicles to be tacho-fitted (see Yorkshire Coastliner's 840, taking up to 3h42 but registered as a single route - with the new summer service registration coming in later this month).

Registering as a local bus service generally makes it possible to claim Bus Service Operators Grant for the mileage run but means 56 days notice of most changes must be made. Coach services sometimes have local sections registered so this can be claimed.

Originally Posted by omnibologist

Some parts of TP serve all stops eg Matlock to Buxton

Indeed. I used to be a regular passenger (well, half a dozen times a year).