My idea for deltic 55023?

Deltic1 · 24th February 2012, 19:17

Hi all

I like Deltics and think it would be a good idea to make another (just like thay have done for Tornado and doing for the Greaslay P2 and the Patriot project)
if yes what should the name be?

deltic1

GNERman · 24th February 2012, 19:24

Erm, 6 already preserved PLUS the prototype? Quite enough, thanks...

sprinterguy · 24th February 2012, 19:29

+1 for what GNERman says. There's already six production Deltics in preservation, which is a considerable proportion of the original fleet of 22 locomotives. There's certainly no need for another one to join the ranks when many preserved lines are already bursting at the seams with sidings full of locomotives.

Those worthy steam projects that the OP has suggested are intended to fill gaps in locomotive classes that are no longer extant, which is a very different matter.

deltic1989 · 24th February 2012, 19:31

Not entirely sure that a brand new Deltic would ever be made. The only reason that Tornado was built is because no one thought to preserve a Peppercorn A1 but there are 6 production Deltics preserved plus the prototype DP1.
But just for a bit of fun though.
Since the Deltics were named after Regiments (Gateshead and Haymarket based machines) or Racehorses (Finsbury Park based machines)
Regiment - The Royal Anglian Regiement
Racehorse - Sheergar

Crimson_Quiff · 24th February 2012, 19:37

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Originally Posted by GNERman

Erm, 6 already preserved PLUS the prototype? Quite enough, thanks...

Indeed, too many of the things if you ask me!

I can just about put up with 22 as I get on okay with the owner!

Hydro · 24th February 2012, 19:37

I echo the above. There's no need to build a new one, using money that's scarce enough to be found in preservation when 6 are preserved.

Deltic1 · 24th February 2012, 19:42

when you put it like that...
but i still think its a good idea though

hairyhandedfool · 24th February 2012, 20:59

Perhaps they could replicate the real '23rd Production Deltic', which really is DP2 (actually it might have been one of the earlier built bodies, but you get the point I am sure).

Michael.Y · 24th February 2012, 21:42

You like Deltics yet you have a Tractor/Growler as your avatar?

Hydro · 24th February 2012, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Michael.Y

You like Deltics yet you have a Tractor/Growler as your avatar?

Means nothing, I like cheese but it's not my avatar.

theblackwatch · 24th February 2012, 22:03

Even as a big Deltic crank, I wouldn't advocate building another. It has already taken 15 years to rebuild 'Tulyar' and it still a way off being complete. I'd rather see the prototype back in action on a preserved railway or demonstration line.

Peter Mugridge · 24th February 2012, 22:04

DP2 was effectively a 50 in a 55 bodyshell with extra vents wasn't it?

Could be re-created easily enough using one of the many remaining 50s and the surviving cabs from 55 008 and 55 021...

( Post not to be taken too seriously! )

Rich_D3167 · 24th February 2012, 23:27

There IS one new build (sort-of) Deltic to look forward to, though, but it's much smaller than a Class 55: the Baby Deltic!

As has been said, there's no need for another Deltic to be built when 6 of the 22 built have been saved (5 of which are currently able to haul trains) as well as the prototype. What needs to be saved are the ones in very few numbers, or recreate ones which no longer exist. I look forward to the day when D8233 & D5705 haul their first trains in preservation, & hope D8568 has a better future than it did with BR!

Winterbournecm · 25th February 2012, 08:27

I read once that 47523 was considered to be the 23rd Deltic as it was a great substitute for s class 55.

Deltic1 · 25th February 2012, 08:44

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Originally Posted by Michael.Y

You like Deltics yet you have a Tractor/Growler as your avatar?

Im new and the picture is there untill i get a picture of a deltic uploaded
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Originally Posted by Rich_D3167

There IS one new build (sort-of) Deltic to look forward to, though, but it's much smaller than a Class 55: the Baby Deltic!

Thay have withdrawn the class 20 bogies for that that was a draw back

24th February 2012, 19:17	#1
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24th February 2012, 19:24	#2
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sprinterguy Travelling Pass Established Member Join Date: 4 Mar 2010 Location: Birmingham Posts: 5,488	+1 for what GNERman says. There's already six production Deltics in preservation, which is a considerable proportion of the original fleet of 22 locomotives. There's certainly no need for another one to join the ranks when many preserved lines are already bursting at the seams with sidings full of locomotives. Those worthy steam projects that the OP has suggested are intended to fill gaps in locomotive classes that are no longer extant, which is a very different matter. __________________ Most recent journeys: 24/05 CR 168005 07:55 Olton - B'ham Moor Street

24th February 2012, 19:37	#6
Hydro Professional Hotel Critic Established Member Join Date: 5 Mar 2007 Posts: 2,202	I echo the above. There's no need to build a new one, using money that's scarce enough to be found in preservation when 6 are preserved. __________________ Album of random railway gubbins

24th February 2012, 20:59	#8
hairyhandedfool TOC employee Established Member Join Date: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 5,198	Perhaps they could replicate the real '23rd Production Deltic', which really is DP2 (actually it might have been one of the earlier built bodies, but you get the point I am sure). __________________ These views are my own and not, in any way, those of my employer, though they may choose to agree with them if they wish.

24th February 2012, 19:31	#4
deltic1989 Napier Power!!! Established Member Join Date: 21 Sep 2010 Location: Nottingham Posts: 1,055	Not entirely sure that a brand new Deltic would ever be made. The only reason that Tornado was built is because no one thought to preserve a Peppercorn A1 but there are 6 production Deltics preserved plus the prototype DP1. But just for a bit of fun though. Since the Deltics were named after Regiments (Gateshead and Haymarket based machines) or Racehorses (Finsbury Park based machines) Regiment - The Royal Anglian Regiement Racehorse - Sheergar

24th February 2012, 19:42	#7
Deltic1 Member Join Date: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 31	when you put it like that... but i still think its a good idea though

24th February 2012, 21:42	#9
Michael.Y Member Join Date: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 956	You like Deltics yet you have a Tractor/Growler as your avatar?

24th February 2012, 22:03	#11
theblackwatch www.deltic.co.uk Moderator Join Date: 15 Feb 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 5,856	Even as a big Deltic crank, I wouldn't advocate building another. It has already taken 15 years to rebuild 'Tulyar' and it still a way off being complete. I'd rather see the prototype back in action on a preserved railway or demonstration line.

24th February 2012, 22:04	#12
Peter Mugridge Established Member Join Date: 8 Apr 2010 Location: Epsom Posts: 3,523	DP2 was effectively a 50 in a 55 bodyshell with extra vents wasn't it? Could be re-created easily enough using one of the many remaining 50s and the surviving cabs from 55 008 and 55 021... ( Post not to be taken too seriously! )

24th February 2012, 23:27	#13
Rich_D3167 Member Join Date: 14 Jun 2010 Location: Healing, near Grimsby Posts: 140	There IS one new build (sort-of) Deltic to look forward to, though, but it's much smaller than a Class 55: the Baby Deltic! As has been said, there's no need for another Deltic to be built when 6 of the 22 built have been saved (5 of which are currently able to haul trains) as well as the prototype. What needs to be saved are the ones in very few numbers, or recreate ones which no longer exist. I look forward to the day when D8233 & D5705 haul their first trains in preservation, & hope D8568 has a better future than it did with BR!

25th February 2012, 08:27	#14
Winterbournecm Member Join Date: 25 Feb 2012 Location: Kernow Posts: 6	I read once that 47523 was considered to be the 23rd Deltic as it was a great substitute for s class 55.