DMU sets info required at York late 1970's

al20a · 7th March 2012, 14:12

Does anyone have any old logs from York in the late 70's preferably around 1977, if not any year around this date, that show DMU sets at York. Searching some old logs. I came across this configuration and want to know if this is the correct configuration or not. Maybe they are two separate sets joined together or maybe three car set and the other a two car set on there own.

Class 111 DMBS E50280 + Class 104 TCL E59232 + Class 111 DMCL E50275 + Class 111 DMBS E50283 + Class 101 TSL E59571. All Nevile Hill based.

regards
Albert

theblackwatch · 7th March 2012, 14:15

Certainly a power car missing from that consist - I'm guessing that was two 3-car sets.

al20a · 7th March 2012, 14:22

Could it be this one, I have 51559 Class 111 DMCL Neville Hill based on its own separated by a diesel number from those first five numbers

eastwestdivide · 7th March 2012, 14:37

Vehicles numbered 59xxx were non-driving trailers, so wouldn't normally be at the end of a train in service, so there's likely to be a driving motor missing.
Also, you've listed them as DTCL and DTSL, implying D for Driving, but driving trailers were 56xxx back then. If it was a driving trailer, 59571 should have been 56571, but the number series didn't go that high.

al20a · 7th March 2012, 14:51

Correct, eastwestdivide . I will edit that now. Thanks for pointing that out.
Can I add another question was E50163 or SC50163 in 1977. In the 1981 Motive power combined volume for 1981 Ian Allen, that has it as SC50163.

eastwestdivide · 7th March 2012, 16:07

1976 RCTS coaching stock book has E50163 at BG (Hull botanic gardens), as does the 1978 book, but in my copy of the 78 book, it's been crossed out in pencil and ED (Eastfield) then DE (Dundee) written in

al20a · 7th March 2012, 17:11

Cheers Eastwestdivide, just out of curiosity were you at York at the Western Finale tour on 12th Feb 1977 and have a log for that day or even be on its route and seen anything that might of been heading for York on that day.
I don't have any logs from that day anymore, lost many moons ago. All I have now are what other people have sent me from that day and numbers from photos I have seen on the net.

theblackwatch · 7th March 2012, 18:01

50163 moved from BG to ED in 1979. Generally the 111 power cars were kept together in sets, so I'd say 51559 was more likely to being part of that set at the time. Back in 1972 these two sets were formed:
50275+59232+50288
50283+59571+50278

So at least two of the cars were still paired up five years later.

eastwestdivide · 8th March 2012, 07:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by al20a

... just out of curiosity were you at York at the Western Finale tour on 12th Feb 1977...

No such luck al20a.

al20a · 8th March 2012, 12:46

Cheers Guys for your help, much appreciated and thank you.

Kind regards
Albert

7th March 2012, 14:12	#1
al20a Member Join Date: 27 Feb 2011 Posts: 13	DMU sets info required at York late 1970's Does anyone have any old logs from York in the late 70's preferably around 1977, if not any year around this date, that show DMU sets at York. Searching some old logs. I came across this configuration and want to know if this is the correct configuration or not. Maybe they are two separate sets joined together or maybe three car set and the other a two car set on there own. Class 111 DMBS E50280 + Class 104 TCL E59232 + Class 111 DMCL E50275 + Class 111 DMBS E50283 + Class 101 TSL E59571. All Nevile Hill based. regards Albert Last edited by al20a; 7th March 2012 at 14:52.

7th March 2012, 14:15	#2
theblackwatch www.deltic.co.uk Moderator Join Date: 15 Feb 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 5,903	Certainly a power car missing from that consist - I'm guessing that was two 3-car sets.

7th March 2012, 14:22	#3
al20a Member Join Date: 27 Feb 2011 Posts: 13	Could it be this one, I have 51559 Class 111 DMCL Neville Hill based on its own separated by a diesel number from those first five numbers

7th March 2012, 14:37	#4
eastwestdivide Member Join Date: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 399	Vehicles numbered 59xxx were non-driving trailers, so wouldn't normally be at the end of a train in service, so there's likely to be a driving motor missing. Also, you've listed them as DTCL and DTSL, implying D for Driving, but driving trailers were 56xxx back then. If it was a driving trailer, 59571 should have been 56571, but the number series didn't go that high.

7th March 2012, 14:51	#5
al20a Member Join Date: 27 Feb 2011 Posts: 13	Correct, eastwestdivide . I will edit that now. Thanks for pointing that out. Can I add another question was E50163 or SC50163 in 1977. In the 1981 Motive power combined volume for 1981 Ian Allen, that has it as SC50163.

7th March 2012, 16:07	#6
eastwestdivide Member Join Date: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 399	1976 RCTS coaching stock book has E50163 at BG (Hull botanic gardens), as does the 1978 book, but in my copy of the 78 book, it's been crossed out in pencil and ED (Eastfield) then DE (Dundee) written in

7th March 2012, 17:11	#7
al20a Member Join Date: 27 Feb 2011 Posts: 13	Cheers Eastwestdivide, just out of curiosity were you at York at the Western Finale tour on 12th Feb 1977 and have a log for that day or even be on its route and seen anything that might of been heading for York on that day. I don't have any logs from that day anymore, lost many moons ago. All I have now are what other people have sent me from that day and numbers from photos I have seen on the net.

7th March 2012, 18:01	#8
theblackwatch www.deltic.co.uk Moderator Join Date: 15 Feb 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 5,903	50163 moved from BG to ED in 1979. Generally the 111 power cars were kept together in sets, so I'd say 51559 was more likely to being part of that set at the time. Back in 1972 these two sets were formed: 50275+59232+50288 50283+59571+50278 So at least two of the cars were still paired up five years later.

8th March 2012, 12:46	#10
al20a Member Join Date: 27 Feb 2011 Posts: 13	Cheers Guys for your help, much appreciated and thank you. Kind regards Albert