[Clip]

Originally Posted by notadriver

That's a slippery road comparing staff roles/jobs/locations in my opinion. The next question will be why should a tube operator on an automatic line (Central, Victoria, Jubilee) be paid the same as a T/op on other lines ?!

It may be just that but you have to at least approach the question and possibilities surrounding it. Solidarity is all well and good but if you're working in the east and dealing with greater crowds and more difficult situations then your compatriot in the west then wouldnt you feel a little aggrieved at them getting the same bonus as you for doing less?


We all really dont know the full proposals surrounding this as there is very little information out there but i still think if you are being asked to work more and for longer then you should be rewarded for it.

[SS4]

Are these bonuses likely to be taxed? I'm not entirely sure how it works with bonuses but surely if it were added onto the normal pay packet it would be taxed?

[notadriver]

Yes all taxed in the normal way. Workers (well usually drivers) already on more than 42.5k will be taxed at 40 percent on that . Oh well I guess we are lucky to have a job and have no idea on what it's like to live on job seekers allowance.

[notadriver]

Originally Posted by Clip

It may be just that but you have to at least approach the question and possibilities surrounding it. Solidarity is all well and good but if you're working in the east and dealing with greater crowds and more difficult situations then your compatriot in the west then wouldnt you feel a little aggrieved at them getting the same bonus as you for doing less?


We all really dont know the full proposals surrounding this as there is very little information out there but i still think if you are being asked to work more and for longer then you should be rewarded for it.

I think you have a point - particular for station/customer facing staff.

[Greenback]

Originally Posted by SS4

As a guess (and little more) I'd say that they may be moved within the local area with a minimum of notice but I'd not imagine that staff at West Ruislip would be asked to go to East London within a couple of hours since surely it'd be logistically impossible but they could be asked to go to Ickenham for example. Or they may look for a pool of volunteers first, eg perhaps those who live close enough to make it more convenient.

I really am doing little more than guessing

I would tend to agree that, in practice, there would be less chance of someone in West London being called in to East London. It would not really be worth their while by the time travellign time was taken into account.

However, if all staff have been asked to be more flexible, then all staff should be rewarded. After all, they could potentially have Rest Days cancelled wherever they are. if, on the other hand, TfL only require certian groups or locations to have their T&C's changed, then the rewards should be limited to those groups so affected.

As you say, though, no one seems to know the fine details of what is on the table, and the devil is usually in the detail rather than the principle!

[Daniel]

A couple of bits to pick up on,

The 'shift locations can be changed' has historically been on your own group only. As an example, the Edgware Group on the Northern line includes all stations between Edgware and Chalk Farm. Recently (last year) LUL uploaded an un-agreed version of the framework of agreement for station staff to the intranet. This station that you could be moved off of your group to wherever the business needed you. After a fairly lengthy argument this was eventually changed to that you could be put on the group next to your group - and that, I believe, is as far as it goes for now... unless you're in the still fairly new "Special Requirements Team" and can be put all over the place.

Again with regards to the east/west divide, obviously it'll get busier everywhere, but yes those in the east will be busier - but how would you differentiate between who'd be busy enough to deserve a bonus and for who it's just normal passenger load?

With regards to people asking if LU would be running later - it's currently 24 hours on the opening & closing ceremonies, IIRC a service 3 hours later on lines serving the Olympic park and 2 hours later on other lines, in addition to a third peak service at 23:00.

Finally, with regards to those not in east London not deserving a bonus... what about service control staff? A far increased workload considering they're staffed 24 hours and most locations go from 3/2 to 1 member of staff overnight, but the actual control locations (may or)may not be located in East London..?

[Greenback]

That's a good pint about control staff, Daniel. As far as I know, though, any lump sum would be in recognition for the temporary alterations to contractual terms, rather than recognition that the sytem and therefore some jobs, may be busier?

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by Greenback

That's a good pint about control staff, Daniel. As far as I know, though, any lump sum would be in recognition for the temporary alterations to contractual terms, rather than recognition that the sytem and therefore some jobs, may be busier?

Indeed, that's the offer being put forward by LU, but then from what I understand part of the RMT's argument is that the DLR/LOROL bonus' didn't have changes to framework along with them - so therefore are effectively just a payment for it being busier, (and an attendance allowance).

[Greenback]

Originally Posted by Daniel

Indeed, that's the offer being put forward by LU, but then from what I understand part of the RMT's argument is that the DLR/LOROL bonus' didn't have changes to framework along with them - so therefore are effectively just a payment for it being busier, (and an attendance allowance).

I don't think I agree with the RMT's argument in that case!

[Clip]

Originally Posted by Daniel

Indeed, that's the offer being put forward by LU, but then from what I understand part of the RMT's argument is that the DLR/LOROL bonus' didn't have changes to framework along with them - so therefore are effectively just a payment for it being busier, (and an attendance allowance).

DLRs bonus is indeed with regards of changes to their contracts and rosters being changed due to them running longer on a lot of days during the Olympics. Not only that but with a lot of vehicles being outstanled also then the PSAs will have to be in attendance with those vehicles over night until system start up in the morning so that the trains get booted up correctly.

It is not just a payment for it 'being busier'.

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by Clip

It is not just a payment for it 'being busier'.

My apologies in that case, as I'm sure you can understand, where I don't even hear everything with regards to negotiations within my own sub-company, I hear virtually nothing about elsewhere in the business, except press releases from RMT/LU.

[Clip]

Originally Posted by Daniel

My apologies in that case, as I'm sure you can understand, where I don't even hear everything with regards to negotiations within my own sub-company, I hear virtually nothing about elsewhere in the business, except press releases from RMT/LU.

No, thats cool. Like always theres lots of heresay and miss information when it comes to negotiating packages accross TfL companies. Its only normal to get confused by the lot of them

[NY Yankee]

Engineering workers on London Underground have voted to accept a payment of £850 each for working during the Olympic Games.

The Unite union, which represents hundreds of engineering, electrical, power control and management workers, said the offer was accepted by 4-1 in a ballot.

Regional secretary Peter Kavanagh said: "London Underground did the right thing by recognising the extra work our members will be expected to do during the Olympics. There were disagreements but we worked them out through negotiation."

The union is planning to ballot more than 20,000 bus workers in the capital for industrial action after protesting that no extra Olympic payment was being offered.

Unite has called for a £500 payment to recognise the "massive increase" in workload during the Games this summer, saying that 800,000 extra passengers are expected to travel on buses.

Mr Kavanagh added: "They are the only transport workers in London who will not receive an award for their major contribution to keeping London moving during the Olympics.

"London's bus operators' failure to even talk to Unite about an Olympic award, and Mayor Boris Johnson's refusal to intervene, means there is a very real prospect of a capital-wide bus strike."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...ing-Games.html

I'm glad they settled that issue. A strike during the Olympics would be devastating. It would make the city of London look bad and it would inconvenience the thousands of people attending the games. I hope the bus operators do the same. The city should be united during the games, not divided. London will be in the spotlight for those two magical weeks.

[SS4]

Originally Posted by NY Yankee

I'm glad they settled that issue. A strike during the Olympics would be devastating. It would make the city of London look bad and it would inconvenience the thousands of people attending the games. I hope the bus operators do the same. The city should be united during the games, not divided. London will be in the spotlight for those two magical weeks.

So being united is kow-towing to management demands? The very virtue of being in the spotlight means that it can't be swept under the rug. Contrary to popular belief unions do not strike because it's been a slow week at union HQ. Perhaps union demands are too high, especially if no overtime is involved but perhaps it's justified? Why not reward those staff who themselves must battle Olympic travel to transport visitors around smoothly? It would be a good gesture of solidarity: the city should be united during the games, not divided. London will be in the spotlight for those two magical weeks.

[NY Yankee]

I'm not that familiar with British currency, but £850 seems like a decent amount of money. It's not like they're getting nothing. Across the pond, both of my parents are in unions. Getting back to the topic, people should be able to enjoy the Olympics and the great city hosting it. The last thing on their minds should be a Tube strike.