[NY Yankee]

The S Stock has received so much attention, but I didn't realise that there was another new carriage operating in the Tube. The 2009 Stock, which is operating on the Victoria line, has a fast acceleration. The seats look comfortable (though I'm not a fan of the upholstery. It appears to have Siemens propulsion (like some of the newer trains in New York and Washington). Are there many of them operating on the Victoria line or the rest of the Tube?

[MattE2010]

The Victoria line is operated solely by the 2009 stock, however they aren't used on any other lines. It was introduced for public running on 21 July 2009, and fully replaced the 1967 stock less than two years later, on 30 June 2011.

[Peter Mugridge]

If you're interested the fleet list is 11001 + 11002 through to 11093 + 11094 ( 47 units ). Officially these are single 8 car units, but there may well be a split and re-match amongst the odd unit or two at some point in the future!

One point to note:

11001 / 2 and 11003 / 4 are not the originals; they were not identical to the production batch and it was found to be cheaper to "recycle" them and build two replacement trains carrying the same numbers* as the originals. Not sure if the frames were re-used or if everything of the originals was "recycled".



*On the Underground re-numbering to keep units and sequences "smooth" after a reformation or a replacement is surprisingly common and causes serious headaches for enthusiasts years later trying to work out what became what!

[trentside]

Originally Posted by Peter Mugridge

On the Underground re-numbering to keep units and sequences "smooth" after a reformation or a replacement is surprisingly common and causes serious headaches for enthusiasts years later trying to work out what became what!

Interestingly, I've just been reading an article on the 1967 Stock and the fleet expansion in 1988-89 when several 1972 MK1 stock were incorporated into the '67 fleet. Apparently the incorporated '72s were subsequently re-numbered to tie in with the '67s they'd been paired with. So exactly as you say, nothing like making it difficult for the enthusiasts

Another interesting point about the 2009 Stock is that they can only leave the Victoria line by road, and therefore all heavy work has to be undertaken at Northumberland Park depot, rather than the units going to Acton via the connection at Finsbury Park. This is because the 2009s are built to take advantage of the Victoria lines larger loading gauge.

[AdamW]

I know it seems to be the same with the new S stock, and that people should know what line they're on, but I do miss have all the grab handles in the line's colour. It was a little quirky thing that I used to like, but since the '95 or '96 stock doesn't seem to happen anymore.

(Although interestingly, despite their refurbishment taking place well into the 21st century, the D stock do have all green handles)

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by AdamW

I know it seems to be the same with the new S stock, and that people should know what line they're on, but I do miss have all the grab handles in the line's colour. It was a little quirky thing that I used to like, but since the '95 or '96 stock doesn't seem to happen anymore.

Actually it is still standard practice to have the handles matching the line colour. The exceptions you mention are the 1995 and 1996, which can't have the handles painted their line colour (black and grey respectively) as they are required to be brightly coloured; and the S stock, which is shared between several lines, and I hardly think that a particoloured mix of purple, pink, yellow and green will look anything less than hideous...

[AdamW]

Originally Posted by Eagle

Actually it is still standard practice to have the handles matching the line colour. The exceptions you mention are the 1995 and 1996, which can't have the handles painted their line colour (black and grey respectively) as they are required to be brightly coloured; and the S stock, which is shared between several lines, and I hardly think that a particoloured mix of purple, pink, yellow and green will look anything less than hideous...

Ah, I see. I wasn't aware that they had to be brightly coloured. That combination wouldn't look too good, I agree with you on that one! However, surely the Met stock will be kept separate, given it is S8 and the Circle/District/H&C S7?

[W-on-Sea]

Originally Posted by NY Yankee

The seats look comfortable

Sadly they are nothing of the sort - they are rock hard, with the thinnest layer of cushion I think ever found on the tube!

[Simon11]

Surely the all modern handles must be yellow so to help people who can't see many colours?

[trentside]

Originally Posted by Simon11

Surely the all modern handles must be yellow so to help people who can't see many colours?

I think they just have to stand out against other interior fittings.

Interestingly, I believe the current plan is to fit all stocks with a new standardised seating moquette, presumably to save on costs. This is the same one that is in the process of being fitted to the 1992 Stock in an attempt to vaguely smarten them up before the Olympics!

[trivran]

Originally Posted by W-on-Sea

Sadly they are nothing of the sort - they are rock hard, with the thinnest layer of cushion I think ever found on the tube!

You haven't been on a certain Jubilee Line train. The seats have no cushion whatsoever..forgotten the number though. They have the new 'standard' moquette.

[MCR247]

[QUOTE=trentside;1083041This is the same one that is in the process of being fitted to the 1992 Stock in an attempt to vaguely smarten them up before the Olympics![/QUOTE]

They still look like a pile of crap.

Dunno what it is about the 92ts and if it is just me, but they are horrible! It absolutely hate them! The interiors always seem dark and gloomy even though they have absolutely MASSIVE windows!

[Peter Mugridge]

Originally Posted by trentside

Interestingly, I've just been reading an article on the 1967 Stock and the fleet expansion in 1988-89 when several 1972 MK1 stock were incorporated into the '67 fleet. Apparently the incorporated '72s were subsequently re-numbered to tie in with the '67s they'd been paired with. So exactly as you say, nothing like making it difficult for the enthusiasts

Try this with the A Stock:

Original 5008 became 5034. Original 5034 became 5008 and later became 5234...

Original 5037 became 5117. Original 5117 became 5233,

Other stock has had direct swaps as well; 17035 and 17077 in the D Stock have switched identities. So did 3728 and 3730 on the short lived 1983 stock.

You mentioned the Victoria Line. On the 1967 stock, unit 01 was the oldest, right? Wrong! Only half of it was...!! 3101 became 3180 and 4101 became 4180 while 1972 cars 3317 became 3101 and 4317 became 4101... At least the lower numbered pair of cars were original!

Plus many, many, more similar renumberings and swaps involving virtually every type and line.

As I said... Major headaches!

[AdamW]

Originally Posted by MCR247

Dunno what it is about the 92ts and if it is just me, but they are horrible! It absolutely hate them! The interiors always seem dark and gloomy even though they have absolutely MASSIVE windows!

Don't like the 92 stock either, nor the Central line for that matter.

[starrymarkb]

When new the 1992 stock was very bright and the huge windows made them feel quite spacious. But they are about 20 years old now and haven't had a major refurbishment (beyond the current new windows and seat trim)