[gareth taylor]

Yesterdays 1750 CDF to MAN should have been 175104. It was cancelled, then 150236 turned a couple minutes later to do the service. Arrived in to SPT 7/8 minutes late. It could have a 153 and a 142 doing it instead (heaven forbid).

[PHILIPE]

Originally Posted by 185

For ATW to use a 158 on the Crewe shuttles or North Wales Coast, and to put a 150 on the Cardiff Manchster, they need lynching.

Not as simple as that. It all depends on where units finish up the night before thus deciding where they are the next morning. Going back to an earlier post, only the 10 30 Manchester to Milford Haven is booked for a 158There are enough 175s to run the service but if not sufficient available on any one day, one has to improvise..
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Originally Posted by PHILIPE

Not as simple as that. It all depends on where units finish up the night before thus deciding where they are the next morning. Going back to an earlier post, only the 10 30 Manchester to Milford Haven is booked for a 158There are enough 175s to run the service but if not sufficient available on any one day, one has to improvise..

To add to this, all this has and still is being debated at length on another thread on the Forum in the Traction Section..

[Rhydgaled]

Originally Posted by PHILIPE

only the 10 30 Manchester to Milford Haven is booked for a 158

I thought the only Manchester - Milford booked for a 158 was the one that leaves Milford at 13:08, and even then only on Saturdays with all weekday services being booked for a 175. Is the 10:30 off Manchester now booked for a 158 on weekdays and Saturdays?

[PHILIPE]

Originally Posted by Rhydgaled

I thought the only Manchester - Milford booked for a 158 was the one that leaves Milford at 13:08, and even then only on Saturdays with all weekday services being booked for a 175. Is the 10:30 off Manchester now booked for a 158 on weekdays and Saturdays?

Yes. We are covering old ground again here. There seem to be too many threads on different boards with different titles all referring to the same subject ie. WAG Express and ATW utilisation are the only ones required. People seem to start a new thread when the topic has already been posted elsewhere.

[Greenback]

Originally Posted by PHILIPE

Yes. We are covering old ground again here. There seem to be too many threads on different boards with different titles all referring to the same subject ie. WAG Express and ATW utilisation are the only ones required. People seem to start a new thread when the topic has already been posted elsewhere.

This does not only apply to ATW and the WG Express. Many other topics come up regularly, just as they do on other forums! I think it is natural for unit diagrams 9plus XC HST diagrams of course!) to come up frequently, especially around the time of a timetable change.

[185]

Last time I was on a similar service, it was a 142.

From.... Newcastle to Liverpool.

-- Arriva Trains Northern. I was it's guard

We did have a trolley, window labels and seat reservations sellotaped on.

[Big Chris]

Arriva seem to be pretty good at providing a unit, come what may, in difficult circumstances. A 150 providing the service; whilst worse than a 175, is better than no train. I think they should be applauded not condemned.

[Masboroughlad]

Originally Posted by Big Chris

Arriva seem to be pretty good at providing a unit, come what may, in difficult circumstances. A 150 providing the service; whilst worse than a 175, is better than no train. I think they should be applauded not condemned.

No. They should provide a train fit for purpose. Why do people think not delivering is good?! We need to demand more from TOCs, not applaud them for failure.

[Rhydgaled]

Originally Posted by Masboroughlad

No. They should provide a train fit for purpose. Why do people think not delivering is good?! We need to demand more from TOCs, not applaud them for failure.

If they really only had 150s available we shouldn't grumble, but they have been keeping their 16 to 22 mark 2 carraiges, bought to increase capacity so I'm told, out of service...

Where's this other topic that mentioned extra 158 diagrams on Manchesters then? Could I have a link please?

[Rich McLean]

Originally Posted by 185

Last time I was on a similar service, it was a 142.

From.... Newcastle to Liverpool.

-- Arriva Trains Northern. I was it's guard

We did have a trolley, window labels and seat reservations sellotaped on.

Dear god, I wonder how much tea got spilt

[PHILIPE]

Originally Posted by Masboroughlad

No. They should provide a train fit for purpose. Why do people think not delivering is good?! We need to demand more from TOCs, not applaud them for failure.

Can't you understand they probably would they have could. Again better than cancelling. In an ideal world units would never break down or disruptions occur that might throw them out of their working. Would you have waited an hour hoping it would have been a 175 ?

[Greenback]

Originally Posted by PHILIPE

Can't you understand they probably would they have could. Again better than cancelling. In an ideal world units would never break down or disruptions occur that might throw them out of their working. Would you have waited an hour hoping it would have been a 175 ?

I completely agree. When I catch 1 150 home rather than a 175, I am just happy to be on the way. OK, I prefer a 175, but I would rather get home than have to wait for an hour for a service. Anyhting is better than nothing, and it is hardly ATW's fault if the farmers of Wales seem unable to use crossings properly.

[anthony263]

Originally Posted by Greenback

I completely agree. When I catch 1 150 home rather than a 175, I am just happy to be on the way. OK, I prefer a 175, but I would rather get home than have to wait for an hour for a service. Anyhting is better than nothing, and it is hardly ATW's fault if the farmers of Wales seem unable to use crossings properly.

Speaking of farmers I hear that one which had the incident at Whitland with 175002 has been charged today.

I think his insurance company are facing a hefty bill.

[SuperOwl86]

Couple of months ago i used to travel on this service from Stockport to Hereford, Could never guess what would turn up more times than not was a 158. The last time I went to Hereford via Stockport I was unlucky to get a 150.

Since then I always go via New Street and catch the 170 Hereford train although the first time I started to go via New Street a 150 also turned up then.

Seems I am cursed.

[tbtc]

Originally Posted by Rhydgaled

I'm not from ATW, but I'm pretty sure that most services are two 158s coming in from Cambrian, which go straight back out to Shrewsbury on the Holyhead service, leaving one unit at Shrewsbury which as you say couples to the inbound service from Holyhead to go back to Birmingham, then both head out on Cambrian. Might be a little different now, due to strengthening of some of these services.

Are there diagrams that only run Birmingham International - Shrewsbury shuttles (being attached/ detached at Shrewsbury)? They'd be perfect for 150s (coupling up to 158s bound for Holyhead/ Cambrian).

Originally Posted by ChiefPlanner

After last nights mishap when a 175 hit 4 cows at St George's crossing in the Vale - another out of action ......

Originally Posted by Masboroughlad

They should provide a train fit for purpose. Why do people think not delivering is good?! We need to demand more from TOCs, not applaud them for failure

So when a 175 is out of action for crashing into four cows, what do you suggest we do? Yes, there could be more units in reserve, but that'd be at the cost of having fewer daily services - should we cut down the number of services that ATW run just in case one hits a cow?