Llandudno to Wolverhampton

FamilyVacation · 31st May 2012, 11:59

We will be traveling from Llandudno to Wolverhampton the morning of July 17 and it appears there are several options. We have luggage, so we won't want the 5-minute connection through Chester. We could take ATW to Warrington Bank Quay and then Virgin to Wolverhampton, or ATW to Llandudno Junction, Virgin to Crewe and London Midlands to Wolverhampton. From a service or reliability standpoint, is there any difference other than one transfer versus two? Thank you.

SS4 · 31st May 2012, 12:34

The more changes you make the more likely it is you miss a connection (obviously enough).
Changing at Warrington means you'll have to use the subway to get from P4 to P2.

There is one train every two hours from Llandudno Junction to Wolverhampton which runs direct if it's easier for you to get to Llandudno Junction (0607, 0825, 1025, 1225, 1425, 1646). This train is slower than changing though

philjo · 31st May 2012, 12:36

There are direct services from LLandudno Junction to Wolverhampton at 08:25, 10:25 and 12:25. These are arriva trains Wales services and run via Shrewsbury to Birmingham.
They take a bit longer than using other services & changing at Crewe but with luggage I think they would be the best option. You would have just the one change at LLandudno junction.

I can see them on the booking systems if you enter "Via Shrewsbury"

SS4 · 31st May 2012, 12:38

You may be able to change at Shrewsbury but I can't check the platforms because NRES is being a tool

sonic2009 · 31st May 2012, 14:56

I believe changing at Shrewsbury would not involve a use of lift or stairs.

Holyhead - Cardiff trains arrive on P7

Birmingham services depart from either P4 or the bay platforms.

Arglwydd Golau · 31st May 2012, 16:36

ATW direct trains (Llandudno Jct - Wolverhampton) are cheaper - usually - than the alternatives if cost is an issue.

FamilyVacation · 31st May 2012, 19:15

At Wolverhampton, we transfer to a Cross Country train to Reading (ticket already purchased). Is 31 minutes a reasonably safe connecting time at Wolverhampton from ATW to Cross Country?

Oscar · 31st May 2012, 19:22

Of course it is - that's a long connection time for any same station connection.

sonic2009 · 31st May 2012, 19:22

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Originally Posted by FamilyVacation

At Wolverhampton, we transfer to a Cross Country train to Reading (ticket already purchased). Is 31 minutes a reasonably safe connecting time at Wolverhampton from ATW to Cross Country?

Yes although what is the type of ticket you hold from Wolverhampton to Reading please.

FamilyVacation · 31st May 2012, 21:48

Wolverhampton to Reading is an Advance ticket.

**yorkie** · 31st May 2012, 22:51

Yes, that is absolutely fine. You may use 2 (or more) tickets for one journey. You will be covered in the event of delays providing sufficient interchange time has been allowed. 31 minutes is vastly more than the minimum, so that's not only got you covered but a good margin for delays too.

In the highly unlikely event that you do miss the connection, your tickets will be valid on the next available XC service to Reading (though in such a case you may be better off changing at Birmingham New Street; seek advice from the guard of your train if this situation arises).

FamilyVacation · 1st June 2012, 23:56

The ATW direct trains are indeed much less expensive. An Advance ticket is 24 pounds for three people (vs. 95 pounds), but we would again face the prospect of no seat reservation with ATW Advance tickets. How full is a 10:25 train likely to be on July 17 (a Tuesday)?

sonic2009 · 2nd June 2012, 10:41

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Originally Posted by FamilyVacation

The ATW direct trains are indeed much less expensive. An Advance ticket is 24 pounds for three people (vs. 95 pounds), but we would again face the prospect of no seat reservation with ATW Advance tickets. How full is a 10:25 train likely to be on July 17 (a Tuesday)?

You can get seat reservations with this ticket. I have just managed a dummy booking for the 1025 on the 17th at EastCoast with seat reservations.

An advance ticket for 3 people is £36.00, not £24.00 as you have stated.

John @ home · 2nd June 2012, 18:53

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Originally Posted by sonic2009

You can get seat reservations with this ticket. I have just managed a dummy booking for the 1025 on the 17th at EastCoast with seat reservations.

When I do this for this train on that date with EastCoast I get

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Reservation Details

Llandudno Junction to Wolverhampton
Coach: *
Seat *** -
Seat *** -
Seat *** -
We were unable to reserve table for this part of your journey.

As usual with ATW Advances, no actual seats are reserved.

sonic2009 · 2nd June 2012, 19:26

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Originally Posted by John @ home

When I do this for this train on that date with EastCoast I get As usual with ATW Advances, no actual seats are reserved.

I didn't realise that.

Unless the OP has booked this ticket the prices have now gone up to £45.00 for 3 adults

31st May 2012, 11:59	#1
FamilyVacation Member Join Date: 17 May 2012 Posts: 27	Llandudno to Wolverhampton We will be traveling from Llandudno to Wolverhampton the morning of July 17 and it appears there are several options. We have luggage, so we won't want the 5-minute connection through Chester. We could take ATW to Warrington Bank Quay and then Virgin to Wolverhampton, or ATW to Llandudno Junction, Virgin to Crewe and London Midlands to Wolverhampton. From a service or reliability standpoint, is there any difference other than one transfer versus two? Thank you.

31st May 2012, 12:34	#2
SS4 3.14159265358979323846... Established Member Join Date: 30 Jan 2011 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6,146	The more changes you make the more likely it is you miss a connection (obviously enough). Changing at Warrington means you'll have to use the subway to get from P4 to P2. There is one train every two hours from Llandudno Junction to Wolverhampton which runs direct if it's easier for you to get to Llandudno Junction (0607, 0825, 1025, 1225, 1425, 1646). This train is slower than changing though __________________ Last Journey: 26/04/13 20:45 MYB - BMO (CR) A new type of broom came out, it is sweeping the nation.

31st May 2012, 12:38	#4
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31st May 2012, 14:56	#5
sonic2009 The Secret Warrior Established Member Join Date: 19 Jan 2010 Location: Atherstone Posts: 3,109	I believe changing at Shrewsbury would not involve a use of lift or stairs. Holyhead - Cardiff trains arrive on P7 Birmingham services depart from either P4 or the bay platforms. __________________ I'm a Real Human, as well as a Cartoon Character

31st May 2012, 12:36	#3
philjo Established Member Join Date: 9 Jun 2009 Posts: 1,442	There are direct services from LLandudno Junction to Wolverhampton at 08:25, 10:25 and 12:25. These are arriva trains Wales services and run via Shrewsbury to Birmingham. They take a bit longer than using other services & changing at Crewe but with luggage I think they would be the best option. You would have just the one change at LLandudno junction. I can see them on the booking systems if you enter "Via Shrewsbury"

31st May 2012, 16:36	#6
Arglwydd Golau Member Join Date: 14 Apr 2011 Posts: 229	ATW direct trains (Llandudno Jct - Wolverhampton) are cheaper - usually - than the alternatives if cost is an issue.

31st May 2012, 19:15	#7
FamilyVacation Member Join Date: 17 May 2012 Posts: 27	At Wolverhampton, we transfer to a Cross Country train to Reading (ticket already purchased). Is 31 minutes a reasonably safe connecting time at Wolverhampton from ATW to Cross Country?

31st May 2012, 19:22	#8
Oscar Member Join Date: 11 Feb 2010 Posts: 723	Of course it is - that's a long connection time for any same station connection.

31st May 2012, 21:48	#10
FamilyVacation Member Join Date: 17 May 2012 Posts: 27	Wolverhampton to Reading is an Advance ticket.

31st May 2012, 22:51	#11
yorkie Fares Advisor Administrator Join Date: 6 Jun 2005 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 20,981	Yes, that is absolutely fine. You may use 2 (or more) tickets for one journey. You will be covered in the event of delays providing sufficient interchange time has been allowed. 31 minutes is vastly more than the minimum, so that's not only got you covered but a good margin for delays too. In the highly unlikely event that you do miss the connection, your tickets will be valid on the next available XC service to Reading (though in such a case you may be better off changing at Birmingham New Street; seek advice from the guard of your train if this situation arises).

1st June 2012, 23:56	#12
FamilyVacation Member Join Date: 17 May 2012 Posts: 27	The ATW direct trains are indeed much less expensive. An Advance ticket is 24 pounds for three people (vs. 95 pounds), but we would again face the prospect of no seat reservation with ATW Advance tickets. How full is a 10:25 train likely to be on July 17 (a Tuesday)?