[EM2]

There is a lot of sympathy for the victim, and a lot for the driver. This is not 'he or she is right or wrong' issue, but an issue where an unfortunate set of circumstances led to this terrible event.
The victim was short of the fare. The driver could have let her travel, but didn't. Another passenger could have given her the money but didn't.
It appears she want to an ATM. She could've got a taxi, but she didn't.
She called her Mum, who could have suggested she wait in the City Centre, but she didn't.

[Tracky]

Originally Posted by 455driver

I thought it was mainly The Barrow Boy going down that route?

My comment was based on here and elsewhere but his postings have been prolific.

Anyway - my point...

My guess is he probably feels terrible and probably does blame himself more than he deserves to.

[WestCoast]

The Daily Mail is the most read online newspaper in Britain and one of the most read "news" websites on the world stage. Personally, I can't stand a rag that thrives on trying to get people outraged on every page!

If the scenario that is being reported is actually true over what we hear as the driver's account on here, then the actions of the driver and passengers were part of the sequence of events that led to the rape.

However, as EM2 notes, she could have called a taxi with money from this aforementioned ATM or waited for a pick up in a well lit central area. So, the decisions there are part of the sequence of events.

While these sequences of events led the victim and the rapist to cross paths, there can only be one person who is to blame for such a horrific attack.

[Wolfie]

Originally Posted by 455driver

Facts of this case-
1/ the woman was out alone at 3AM, where had she been, church?,
2/ she did not have enough money for the bus fare, why not?,
3/ the driver is under no obligation to carry someone that cannot pay the fare.
4/ no other passenger offered to pay the 20p, why not?

Other possible scenarios-
A/ Did she explain why she didnt have the money,
B/ did she play the "I am a lone female and you must help me" card,
C/ did she get stroppy when the driver failed to acquiesce to her request?

Oh I was a bus driver for nearly 20 years and have heard all the excuses going about why the passenger didnt have the right/ any money for the fare and have every sympathy with the bus driver and some for the woman, what was she doing out at 3AM again, I have forgotten?
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Thank you Heinz 57 for posting "the other side" to this story, makes things much much clearer. I look forward to the apology in the Daily Fail, oh wait a minute they never do apologise for lying do they after all its all about selling newspapers at all costs isnt it.

My bold

I actually agree with your comments about the driver. However, part of your comment goes way too far and is very possibly the most outrageous comment I have ever seen on this forum. It pretty much says that a woman who is out by herself at 3am must expect to be raped. I really hope that this is clumsiness in wording and does not reflect your actual views.
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OK, I was so incensed when I saw that comment that I hit 'reply' immediately. I have read on and seen your later comments which do indeed show it was clumsiness in wording. My apologies.

For some reason I can post on my work IT but can't edit, hence an additional response.....