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Old 10th June 2012, 11:54   #1
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Default Timetables/WTT for VT's former Pompey services

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Does anyone have any timetables/WTT of VT's old Portsmouth Harbour service I could use as I'm trying to create a scenario for one of these services on Railworks TS2012

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Old 10th June 2012, 13:03   #2
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There was a Liverpool-Poole service which called at Hartford at 17:59 if that's any help.
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From the '98 TT

Arrivals into Portsmouth Harbour: (Portsmouth & Southsea)

Mon-Fri
09:41 (09:37) from Birmingham New Street 06:06 (not calling at Reading)
13:32 (13:28) from Blackpool North 07:40
16:53 (16:46) from Liverpool Lime Street 11:35

Sat
13:21 (13:16) from Blackpool North 07:40
16:33 (16:29) fromLiverpool Lime Street 11:35

Sun
14:20 (14:16) from Manchester Piccadilly (09:11)

Departures from Portsmouth Harbour (Porstmouth & Southsea)

Mon-Fri
06:00 (06:04) to Liverpool Lime St. (WALES & WESSEX ALPHALINE - NOT VT)
10:35 (10:41) to Manchester Piccadilly 15:37
14:35 (14:41) to Blackpool North 20:54
17:35 (17:40) to Manchester Oxford Road 23:05

Sat
14:35 (14:41) to Blackpool North 20:54
17:35 (17:40) to Manchester Oxford Road 23:05

Sun
16:05 (16:09) to Manchester Oxford Road 21:00
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From the '98 TT

Arrivals into Portsmouth Harbour: (Portsmouth & Southsea)

Mon-Fri
09:41 (09:37) from Birmingham New Street 06:06 (not calling at Reading)
13:32 (13:28) from Blackpool North 07:40
16:53 (16:46) from Liverpool Lime Street 11:35

Sat
13:21 (13:16) from Blackpool North 07:40
16:33 (16:29) fromLiverpool Lime Street 11:35

Sun
14:20 (14:16) from Manchester Piccadilly (09:11)

Departures from Portsmouth Harbour (Porstmouth & Southsea)

Mon-Fri
06:00 (06:04) to Liverpool Lime St. (WALES & WESSEX ALPHALINE - NOT VT)
10:35 (10:41) to Manchester Piccadilly 15:37
14:35 (14:41) to Blackpool North 20:54
17:35 (17:40) to Manchester Oxford Road 23:05

Sat
14:35 (14:41) to Blackpool North 20:54
17:35 (17:40) to Manchester Oxford Road 23:05

Sun
16:05 (16:09) to Manchester Oxford Road 21:00
Cheers, Do you have the intermediate timings between there and Reading?
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This thread of mine may be of use - http://railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=52202
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Do you have the intermediate timings between there and Reading?
Yes but give me a little while and I'll put them up, probably later this afternoon.
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06:00 (06:04) to Liverpool Lime St. (WALES & WESSEX ALPHALINE - NOT VT)
Just to point out, this service went via Salisbury, Bristol, Severn Tunnel Junction, Shrewsbury and Crewe (as opposed to Virgin's route via Guildford, Reading and Birmingham). Not sure if it reversed at Newport or simply used the Maindee curve.
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Just to point out, this service went via Salisbury, Bristol, Severn Tunnel Junction, Shrewsbury and Crewe (as opposed to Virgin's route via Guildford, Reading and Birmingham). Not sure if it reversed at Newport or simply used the Maindee curve.
Via Maindee curve - requiring an inquiry on its withdeawal ...
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The service to Liverpool, via Salisbury, was the only service other than the Waterloo - Cardiff service not booked to call at Salisbury AFAIK.
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Attached is the TT from '98.

Attachment 11699

I've left out the WW train, as mentioned above it did not go via Reading. Incidentally in '98 still showing as via Newport both ways.
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I think the Pompey - Liverpool and vice versa was the only Wales and West to the city - and at one point was part of a coupled set from Manchester to West Wales which split and coupled at Newport ! - certainly towards the end of its days it went via Maindee thus requiring it to have a public hearing before withdrawal. Many of these exotic trains were Orcats raiders against other operators , to the extent that W&W were asked to explain their existence by the ORR ......
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Actually (I appreciate this strays from the original topic however) looking a bit deeper, WW had a basically hourly service at Portsmouth to/from Cardiff for most of the day with occasional extensions at certain times to/from Tenby, Carmarthen, Haverfordwest, Milford Haven, Pembroke, even Barry Island .
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Actually (I appreciate this strays from the original topic however) looking a bit deeper, WW had a basically hourly service at Portsmouth to/from Cardiff for most of the day with occasional extensions at certain times to/from Tenby, Carmarthen, Haverfordwest, Milford Haven, Pembroke, even Barry Island .
Wasn't there a daily Portsmouth to Holyhead service as operated by Wales and West? I think it coupled/split at Shrewsbury with one half of the train originating/terminating at Manchester?

And didn't South West trains do a daily Brighton to Penzance service as well?

It's interesting to see how some of these rather odd infrequent services from BR days have now gone as a result of franchise changes.

Do FGW still do a daily Malvern-Wymouth service and do SWT still do an infrequent Waterloo-Bristol service? And didn't that use to run to Cardiff (or possibly Swansea) and has now been cut back?
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These services can be useful so that Councillors and transport managers can claim that there is a direct rail service between two locations, but I wonder how many people use them end to end?

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There were a delightful number of bizzare services back in W&W days. These are from the Summer 1999 timetable.

0550 Haverfordwest to Portsmouth Harbour
0855 Pembroke Dock to Brighton (SO)
1543 Milford Haven to Holyhead (SO)
0900 Treherbert to Lostwithiel (arrive 1429)
1915 Birmingham New Street to Barry Island
0749 Weston-super-Mare to Aberdare
0700 Barry Island to Portsmouth Harbour (SO)
1650 Barry Island to Hereford (SuO)
0759 Manchester Piccadilly to London Waterloo (calling at Stockport, Crewe, Whitchurch, Shrewsbury, Church Stretton, Craven Arms, Ludlow, Leominster, Hereford, Abergavenny, Cwmbran, Bristol Temple Meads, Bath Spa, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Warminster, Woking (set down only), Clapham Junction (set down only) and London Waterloo (arrive 1406)
1103 Manchester Piccadilly to Penzance (via Crewe, Shrewsbury, Hereford, Bristol Temple Meads, Exeter & Plymouth)
0653 Penzance to Manchester Piccadilly (same route as above)
1325 Penzance to Cardiff Central via Paignton, arrive 2018
1555 Penzance to Birmingham New Street (arrive 2228)
0525 London Waterloo to Penzance (calling at Reading, Swindon, Bath Spa, Bristol Temple Meads, Weston-super-Mare, Bridgwater, Taunton, Tiverton Parkway, Exeter St Davids, Dawlish, Teignmouth, Newton Abbot, Totnes, Ivybridge, Plymouth, Saltash, Liskeard, Bodmin Parkway, Lostwithiel, Par, St Austell, Truro, Redruth, Camborne, Hayle, St Erth and Penzance (arrive 1222)

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Wasn't there a daily Portsmouth to Holyhead service as operated by Wales and West? I think it coupled/split at Shrewsbury with one half of the train originating/terminating at Manchester?

And didn't South West trains do a daily Brighton to Penzance service as well?

It's interesting to see how some of these rather odd infrequent services from BR days have now gone as a result of franchise changes.

Do FGW still do a daily Malvern-Wymouth service and do SWT still do an infrequent Waterloo-Bristol service? And didn't that use to run to Cardiff (or possibly Swansea) and has now been cut back?
SWT ran a down Saturday, up Sunday Waterloo - Penzance. The latter attached to another set at Plymouth that detached at Salisbury for Portsmouth. Recall there was a Saturday Paignton - Brighton service. SWT still operate a few Waterloo - Bristols.

W&W operated services from Manchester, Liverpool, Pembroke Dock, Carmarthen and Swansea to Waterloo, Brighton, Portsmouth, Plymouth and Penzance at various times with 158s.

FGW operate services from Brighton, Portsmouth and Weymouth to Cardiff, Gloucester and Great Malvern.
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