Booze on the train

The 375 King · 14th June 2012, 13:15

For a long time there has been a booze ban on the tube, should there be a ban on mainline trains? I have been made very nervous by drunken youths on D.O.O services, the trains are open plan now so you are stuck with them, when I was young at least I could get an apartment all to myself from Sevenoaks all the way to London with no drunks.

DarloRich · 14th June 2012, 13:31

No there shouldn’t be. I like a drink on the train to the match with my mates. There is legislation to allow BTP/TOC’s to declare any train they so wish as a “dry train”.

It sounds like your experience is with people who were already drunk when they got on. That is a different question

Temple Meads · 14th June 2012, 13:41

I'm in two minds over this, drunken idiots on a train can be an absolute nightmare, and very intimidating for people of a nervous disposition, at their most basic level they interrupt any peace and quiet, at worst they can actually attack someone.

On the other hand, responsible drinkers are the majority, I myself have enjoyed a beer on a train without being an idiot, as have many friends.

It's also a hard rule to enforce unless you strip search people before they board, same for stopping already drunk people boarding the train, if their original station is unstaffed.

Oswyntail · 14th June 2012, 13:44

No, there shouldn't be a "booze ban". However, it would help if you could guarantee that those responsible for the safety of passengers were a tad more active in policing drunkenness. Stop drunks getting on the train in the first place, or, if they find drunks on the train, get them quiet or chucked off.

SS4 · 14th June 2012, 14:10

If byelaws 4 and 5 aren't enforced what makes you think a ban will be enforced? Drinking is one of the reasons people take the train instead of the car. Most passengers drink sensibly and do you really think the drunks will stick to the ban?

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Originally Posted by Byelaws

4. Intoxication and possession of intoxicating liquor

(1) No person shall enter or remain on the railway where such person is unfit to enter or remain on the railway as a result of being in a state of intoxication.
(2) Where reasonable notice is, or has been, given prohibiting intoxicating liquor on any train service, no person shall have any intoxicating liquor with him on it, or attempt to enter such a train with intoxicating liquor with him.
(3) Where an authorised person reasonably believes that any person is unfit to enter or remain on the railway, or has with him intoxicating liquor contrary to Byelaw 4(2), an authorised person may:
(i) require him to leave the railway; and
(ii)prevent him entering or remaining on the railway until an authorised person is satisfied that he has no intoxicating liquor with him and/or is no longer in an unfit condition.

5. Unfit to be on the railway

No person shall enter or remain on the railway if, in the reasonable opinion of an authorised person, he is in an unfit or improper condition or his clothing may soil or damage any part of the railway or the property or clothing of any person on the railway.

Deerfold · 14th June 2012, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Nice Girl

For a long time there has been a booze ban on the tube, should there be a ban on mainline trains? I have been made very nervous by drunken youths on D.O.O services, the trains are open plan now so you are stuck with them, when I was young at least I could get an apartment all to myself from Sevenoaks all the way to London with no drunks.

The ban on the tube doesn't seem to have made much difference - if someone's a rowdy drunk they're likely to ignore it. It's only the obedient who know of the ban (it's not shouted about as you enter a tube station) who go along with it.

yorksrob · 14th June 2012, 16:19

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Originally Posted by Nice Girl

For a long time there has been a booze ban on the tube, should there be a ban on mainline trains? I have been made very nervous by drunken youths on D.O.O services, the trains are open plan now so you are stuck with them, when I was young at least I could get an apartment all to myself from Sevenoaks all the way to London with no drunks.

No. Absolutely not.

But I agree those compartments were great.

RPM · 14th June 2012, 16:24

Also, the fact you can have a drink on the train is a bit of a selling point for rail travel which probably influences a good few people to use the train rather than drive.

The 375 King · 14th June 2012, 17:14

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Originally Posted by RPM

Also, the fact you can have a drink on the train is a bit of a selling point for rail travel which probably influences a good few people to use the train rather than drive.

Thinking about it, I am in favour of drinking on long distance, well staffed trains but not D.O.O commuter trains, it seems that with no guard, some people will cause trouble.

12CSVT · 14th June 2012, 17:38

Maybe there should be far tougher penalties for being drunk and disorderly / drunk and incapable on public transport (for example, four figure fines, mandatory prison sentences, or being banned from public transport for up to a year). Also the sale of alcohol on trains should be banned.

I personally would have no objection to a complete ban on alcohol on public transport.

Greenback · 14th June 2012, 17:46

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Originally Posted by Nice Girl

Thinking about it, I am in favour of drinking on long distance, well staffed trains but not D.O.O commuter trains, it seems that with no guard, some people will cause trouble.

Some peopel will cause trouble regardless of whether they are actually drinking or not. And most of them will be drunk before they get on the train, so banning them from bringing drink on to the train and consuming it will not have much effect at all.

And for many people, a DOO train might be the start or finish of a longer journey!

yorksrob · 14th June 2012, 19:45

Indeed.

Also, if it's been a hard day at work, commuters have been known to enjoy a beer on the train home to wind down.

DaveNewcastle · 14th June 2012, 20:30

And my glass of red with my evening meal, please. (see endless EC FC thread)

Seriously, there might be a justification for an alcohol ban on sensitive services (related to high volumes of passengers attending a specific event) in Standard Class while allowing passengers in First to enjoy their alcoholic drinks.

Temple Meads · 14th June 2012, 20:45

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Originally Posted by Honourableboy

lets not have more rules.

I don't disagree with that.

Yew · 14th June 2012, 20:49

Recently on the Robin Hood Line, I have noticed 'Code of conduct' signs going up saying no drinking an any train between Nottingham and Worksop. Seems quite odd as there is no such restriction on any other train service in the area.

Ill try and get a picture up soon.

14th June 2012, 13:15	#1
The 375 King Banned Join Date: 31 May 2012 Posts: 49	Booze on the train For a long time there has been a booze ban on the tube, should there be a ban on mainline trains? I have been made very nervous by drunken youths on D.O.O services, the trains are open plan now so you are stuck with them, when I was young at least I could get an apartment all to myself from Sevenoaks all the way to London with no drunks.

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DarloRich Established Member Join Date: 12 Oct 2010 Location: Work - Fenny Stratford(MK) Home - Darlington Posts: 4,353	No there shouldn’t be. I like a drink on the train to the match with my mates. There is legislation to allow BTP/TOC’s to declare any train they so wish as a “dry train”. It sounds like your experience is with people who were already drunk when they got on. That is a different question __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/darlo2009/ Views expressed are my own & not my employers

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Temple Meads Passenger and Enthusiast Established Member Join Date: 2 Sep 2010 Location: Tiverton, Devon Posts: 1,332	I'm in two minds over this, drunken idiots on a train can be an absolute nightmare, and very intimidating for people of a nervous disposition, at their most basic level they interrupt any peace and quiet, at worst they can actually attack someone. On the other hand, responsible drinkers are the majority, I myself have enjoyed a beer on a train without being an idiot, as have many friends. It's also a hard rule to enforce unless you strip search people before they board, same for stopping already drunk people boarding the train, if their original station is unstaffed. __________________ Cheers, Tim YouTube \| Flickr \| More Photos

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12CSVT Established Member Join Date: 18 Aug 2010 Posts: 1,795	Maybe there should be far tougher penalties for being drunk and disorderly / drunk and incapable on public transport (for example, four figure fines, mandatory prison sentences, or being banned from public transport for up to a year). Also the sale of alcohol on trains should be banned. I personally would have no objection to a complete ban on alcohol on public transport. __________________ Loco classes cleared for haulage - 43(production HST power car), 87, 89, 91. Subclasses 31/6, 37/4, 37/9, 57/3, 73/2, 86/1.

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yorksrob Established Member Join Date: 6 Aug 2009 Location: Yorks Posts: 4,648	Indeed. Also, if it's been a hard day at work, commuters have been known to enjoy a beer on the train home to wind down. __________________ If you're going to Normancisco, Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair....

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Oswyntail Established Member Join Date: 23 May 2009 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2,665	No, there shouldn't be a "booze ban". However, it would help if you could guarantee that those responsible for the safety of passengers were a tad more active in policing drunkenness. Stop drunks getting on the train in the first place, or, if they find drunks on the train, get them quiet or chucked off.

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RPM Driver Member Join Date: 24 Sep 2009 Location: Waddesdon, Bucks Posts: 755	Also, the fact you can have a drink on the train is a bit of a selling point for rail travel which probably influences a good few people to use the train rather than drive.

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DaveNewcastle admiring the bridges Fares Advisor Join Date: 21 Dec 2007 Location: Newcastle (unless I'm out) Posts: 4,693	And my glass of red with my evening meal, please. (see endless EC FC thread) Seriously, there might be a justification for an alcohol ban on sensitive services (related to high volumes of passengers attending a specific event) in Standard Class while allowing passengers in First to enjoy their alcoholic drinks.

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Yew Undergraduate Engineer Established Member Join Date: 12 Mar 2011 Location: Lincoln/Mansfield Posts: 2,581	Recently on the Robin Hood Line, I have noticed 'Code of conduct' signs going up saying no drinking an any train between Nottingham and Worksop. Seems quite odd as there is no such restriction on any other train service in the area. Ill try and get a picture up soon. __________________ The ancient Romans only gathered once a week, because that was enough forum.