Quick question on advances

Chapeltom · 25th June 2012, 14:03

Hi all

I've booked an advance from Manchester Airport to Newcastle tomorrow morning and I'm on the following trains.

0537 to 0722 - MIA to YRK - TPE booked in for P5
0731 to 0837 - YRK to NCL - XC booked in for P11

I know the minimum connection time is 8 minutes at York but were carrying heavy rucksacks and if the TPE is more than 5 late, we may miss the train.

Are we ok to board the 0737 EC service to Newcastle if we miss the 0731 or will we have to wait for the 0828 (the next XC) northbound?

Cheers.

Tom

hairyhandedfool · 25th June 2012, 14:15

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Originally Posted by Chapeltom

....Are we ok to board the 0737 EC service to Newcastle if we miss the 0731 or will we have to wait for the 0828 (the next XC) northbound?

Cheers.

Tom

If your York-Newcastle ticket is 'Rte XC Only' it will not be valid on the EC service by right, however, if you ask the guard nicely they may let you use the service. You would be allowed to use the next XC service though.

EDIT: If it is a through ticket from Manchester Airport routed 'TPE & Connections' you'll be fine.

142094 · 25th June 2012, 14:23

Platform 5 to 11 is quite doable in 2 minutes - use the subway instead of following everyone over the footbridge. It is not uncommon for services to be put on different platforms at York, so that could happen to your advantage.

tony_mac · 25th June 2012, 14:32

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Originally Posted by Chapeltom

Hi all

I've booked an advance from Manchester Airport to Newcastle tomorrow morning and I'm on the following trains.

Assuming it's all on one ticket, then it will be route TPE & connections, so you can just take the next available train if you are delayed en-route.

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Originally Posted by Chapeltom

Next trips: MIA to NCL.. walk to CAR

Have a nice walk!

General Zod · 25th June 2012, 14:54

Folks,
I have a similar question. If I am booked on a TPE Manchester Piccadilly - Glasgow Central train and this is cancelled or heavily delayed, timetabling and connections allowing, could I catch a Manchester Piccadillly (ex Manchester Airport) - Windermere TPE as far as Lancaster or Preston and then continue the journey northwards by Virgin ?

rail-britain · 25th June 2012, 15:00

The 07:31 York to Newcastle advance is likely to be XC only
From what I can see you would need to wait until the 08:28
Equally, the advance ticket may be deemed to be invalid, as the connection time for the service was met

I would therefore suggest sending an email to Cross Country explaining the situation
They will then send you an open authority letter and reservation for the second service (ie 08:28 departure)

hairyhandedfool · 25th June 2012, 15:08

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Originally Posted by General Zod

Folks,
I have a similar question. If I am booked on a TPE Manchester Piccadilly - Glasgow Central train and this is cancelled or heavily delayed, timetabling and connections allowing, could I catch a Manchester Piccadillly (ex Manchester Airport) - Windermere TPE as far as Lancaster or Preston and then continue the journey northwards by Virgin ?

An "Advance" ticket would be 'Rte TPE only' which means you would not be allowed on Virgin Trains services (unless specially authorised by TPE and Virgin control centres).

General Zod · 25th June 2012, 15:19

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Originally Posted by hairyhandedfool

An "Advance" ticket would be 'Rte TPE only' which means you would not be allowed on Virgin Trains services (unless specially authorised by TPE and Virgin control centres).

Thanks HHF. On occasions were there are delays you are often told that other TOCs will accept your tickets. I take it that this is example of a ticket being " specially authorised by TOC1 and TOC2 control centres" ?

hairyhandedfool · 25th June 2012, 15:27

Yes it is.

Chapeltom · 25th June 2012, 15:42

Its a through ticket, amazingly if we had split the advances you could get them for £21.50 adult fare now.

Walking Hadrians Wall for those interested. Then up to Milngavie on Saturday for the West Highland Way, coming back from Fort William a week on Thursday, not looking forward to long 10 hour journey home! By almost 3 hours it'll be the longest journey I have ever done.

bb21 · 25th June 2012, 17:00

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Originally Posted by rail-britain

The 07:31 York to Newcastle advance is likely to be XC only
From what I can see you would need to wait until the 08:28
Equally, the advance ticket may be deemed to be invalid, as the connection time for the service was met

I don't understand this. If the minimum connection time has been met then surely the ticket would be valid for the next service, in the event that he misses the XC train due to delays, or have I got the wrong end of the schtick?

hairyhandedfool · 25th June 2012, 17:09

I think rail-britain fell into the same trap I did by making the assumption that it was split tickets (despite no real evidence for that assumption). However, when I read it again I realised my error and edited my post.

rail-britain · 25th June 2012, 17:42

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Originally Posted by bb21

I don't understand this. If the minimum connection time has been met then surely the ticket would be valid for the next service, in the event that he misses the XC train due to delays, or have I got the wrong end of the schtick?

The minimum time has been applied
The OP is suggesting they may miss the next connection due to a large amount of luggage
With an advance ticket the ticket holder would be at fault, for missing the connection
However, if the incoming service was late then the next service could be used (verified with the station staff present)

**yorkie** · 25th June 2012, 18:27

It doesn't matter if it's split tickets or through tickets, but the only piece of information we needed, which was the route printed on the ticket, was not provided initially, thus causing confusion.

rail-britain has also misunderstood, because the OP has said if the train is 5 minutes late then the remaining 3 minutes may not be enough. Well, if you know exactly where you are going, and know which doors to get off (and are first off!) then it will be enough. Otherwise, it may not be, but the request is over-complicating things, as really it isn't a baggage question it's a delay question.

rail-britain · 25th June 2012, 19:00

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Originally Posted by yorkie

if you know exactly where you are going, and know which doors to get off (and are first off!) then it will be enough

It should not matter whether you are first off, last off, and/or know where you are going, all passengers from a connecting service should make the connection

25th June 2012, 14:03	#1
Chapeltom Member Join Date: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 877	Quick question on advances Hi all I've booked an advance from Manchester Airport to Newcastle tomorrow morning and I'm on the following trains. 0537 to 0722 - MIA to YRK - TPE booked in for P5 0731 to 0837 - YRK to NCL - XC booked in for P11 I know the minimum connection time is 8 minutes at York but were carrying heavy rucksacks and if the TPE is more than 5 late, we may miss the train. Are we ok to board the 0737 EC service to Newcastle if we miss the 0731 or will we have to wait for the 0828 (the next XC) northbound? Cheers. Tom Last edited by Chapeltom; 25th June 2012 at 14:15.

25th June 2012, 14:23	#3
142094 142 aficionado Established Member Join Date: 7 Nov 2009 Location: Newcastle Posts: 7,748	Platform 5 to 11 is quite doable in 2 minutes - use the subway instead of following everyone over the footbridge. It is not uncommon for services to be put on different platforms at York, so that could happen to your advantage. __________________ Stand Clear of the Doors, Please.

25th June 2012, 14:54	#5
General Zod North Pole Signal Vc818 Member Join Date: 5 Jan 2008 Posts: 382	Folks, I have a similar question. If I am booked on a TPE Manchester Piccadilly - Glasgow Central train and this is cancelled or heavily delayed, timetabling and connections allowing, could I catch a Manchester Piccadillly (ex Manchester Airport) - Windermere TPE as far as Lancaster or Preston and then continue the journey northwards by Virgin ? __________________ I am General Zod. Your ruler. In return for your obedience you will enjoy my generous protection. In other words you will be allowed to live.

25th June 2012, 15:27	#9
hairyhandedfool TOC employee Established Member Join Date: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 5,363	Yes it is. __________________ These views are my own and not, in any way, those of my employer, though they may choose to agree with them if they wish.

25th June 2012, 17:09	#12
hairyhandedfool TOC employee Established Member Join Date: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 5,363	I think rail-britain fell into the same trap I did by making the assumption that it was split tickets (despite no real evidence for that assumption). However, when I read it again I realised my error and edited my post. __________________ These views are my own and not, in any way, those of my employer, though they may choose to agree with them if they wish.

25th June 2012, 15:00	#6
rail-britain On Moderation Join Date: 12 Aug 2007 Posts: 4,105	The 07:31 York to Newcastle advance is likely to be XC only From what I can see you would need to wait until the 08:28 Equally, the advance ticket may be deemed to be invalid, as the connection time for the service was met I would therefore suggest sending an email to Cross Country explaining the situation They will then send you an open authority letter and reservation for the second service (ie 08:28 departure)

25th June 2012, 15:42	#10
Chapeltom Member Join Date: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 877	Its a through ticket, amazingly if we had split the advances you could get them for £21.50 adult fare now. Walking Hadrians Wall for those interested. Then up to Milngavie on Saturday for the West Highland Way, coming back from Fort William a week on Thursday, not looking forward to long 10 hour journey home! By almost 3 hours it'll be the longest journey I have ever done.

25th June 2012, 18:27	#14
yorkie Fares Advisor Administrator Join Date: 6 Jun 2005 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 20,978	It doesn't matter if it's split tickets or through tickets, but the only piece of information we needed, which was the route printed on the ticket, was not provided initially, thus causing confusion. rail-britain has also misunderstood, because the OP has said if the train is 5 minutes late then the remaining 3 minutes may not be enough. Well, if you know exactly where you are going, and know which doors to get off (and are first off!) then it will be enough. Otherwise, it may not be, but the request is over-complicating things, as really it isn't a baggage question it's a delay question.